A victory for polands women

[Proteus_MST]

The nearly total abortion ban that polands ruling right-wing party planned to implement was rejected by the parliament with overwhelming majority

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/06/europe/poland-abortion-ban-rejected/

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37573938

Ben won't be happy, I guess

[Bereta_Eder]

that was positive

[Ben Kenobi]

Nope, I fail to see why it's a victory for Poland when a majority of Poles voted to ban abortion outright.

[Proteus_MST]

Nope, I fail to see why it's a victory for Poland when a majority of Poles voted to ban abortion outright.

Poland has far more than 900k inhabitants
The referendum (which was the reason for the proposed change of law) gathered 450k signatories ... that's just ~1% of the total population of poland.

And while I didn't see any numbers (probably not known) of women (and men) who went to the streets on several polish cities on monday (and other days) to protest the new abortion law, the mass protests must have been impressive enough, as it seems to have been them which made the polish parliament decide against the law (it might have shown them that it is doubtful that the implementation of this law is the will of the majority of poles)

[Dinner]

Sadly, this will mean fewer hot Polish cuties in the future.

Still, good for them for getting their rights.

[self biased]

way to make it weird, oerdin.

[Ben Kenobi]

The referendum (which was the reason for the proposed change of law) gathered 450k signatories ... that's just ~1% of the total population of poland.

The referendum was overwhelmingly in favor of the ban.

And while I didn't see any numbers (probably not known) of women (and men) who went to the streets on several polish cities on monday (and other days) to protest the new abortion law, the mass protests must have been impressive enough, as it seems to have been them which made the polish parliament decide against the law (it might have shown them that it is doubtful that the implementation of this law is the will of the majority of poles

Right. Why should 100 people protesting >> 450k people?

[Proteus_MST]

The referendum was overwhelmingly in favor of the ban.

...

Of course the 450k signatories were overwhelmingly (=100%) pro the ban.
After all they took the time to support the goal with their sign.

As for the real wishes of the people:

...A recent survey published this week by the Newsweek Polska magazine has shown that some 74 percent of Polish people are sticking to a third opinion that the restriction should stay in place without any changes. ...

https://www.rt.com/news/360316-poland-abortion-ban-law/

And with "restriction" they mean the current polish law on abortion (which already is one of the strictest in europe)
(with the options 1 and 2 being, of course, that the law either should be made stricter according to the Pro-Lifers wishes, or be made more relaxed, according to standards in other european countries)

So, only around 1/4 of the polish people in the poll want the law to be changed (and considering that the 26% also contains people who want the law to be relaxed, one can conclude that less than 1/4 of the people want the law to be made harsher)

Something that also is supported in a Poll of 2012:
Original:

http://fakty.interia.pl/polska/news-cbos-wiekszosc-polakow-popiera-obecne-prawo-dotyczace-aborcj,nId,926768

Translation (Google translate):

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pl&tl=en&u=http://fakty.interia.pl/polska/news-cbos-wiekszosc-polakow-popiera-obecne-prawo-dotyczace-aborcj,nId,926768&usg=ALkJrhhrHfXI8ZQbuLZq29OJ9I89ViVp1A#utm_medium=frame&utm_campaign=wyrzucenie_z_ramki&utm_source=undefined

In that poll only 9 % of the people queried were for a tightening of the law, 34 % were for relaxing it and 49% were for keeping the existing law

[Ben Kenobi]

So, only around 1/4 of the polish people in the poll want the law to be changed (and considering that the 26% also contains people who want the law to be relaxed, one can conclude that less than 1/4 of the people want the law to be made harsher)

Your source does not say that.

Look, if you're going to lie, at least provide a credible source that actually says what you are claiming it says.

[Ming]

Look, if you're going to lie, at least provide a credible source that actually says what you are claiming it says.

You should take your own advice... you lie all the time and never provide credible sources to back up your lies.

[Proteus_MST]

Your source does not say that.

Look, if you're going to lie, at least provide a credible source that actually says what you are claiming it says.

The source says that 74 % of the poles want to keep the current law.
That's what counts.

That leaves just 26% of people who want to change the law in any way.
And that is by far lower than your claim of:

... a majority of Poles voted to ban abortion outright

A claim which you didn't even care to back up by sources btw

[Ming]

A claim which you didn't even care to back up by sources btw

That's just normal for BK. He just lies and makes stuff up and never provides sources. And then he "DEMANDS" you provide proof that he is wrong, even though he never provided any support for his lies.

[Ben Kenobi]

The source says that 74 % of the poles want to keep the current law.

Uh... no. Your source doesn't actually claim that. The source says that there was a poll done, but doesn't mention the sample size.

Without the sample size we can't even assess the error margin of the poll.

[Ben Kenobi]

Hey, I just did a poll of Poles of my facebook polish friends and they confirmed that a majority want to ban abortion.

[Ben Kenobi]

A claim which you didn't even care to back up by sources btw

400k people in a petition is a lot. We didn't get that many against the Hated Sales tax.