UK Trident vote today

[Giancarlo]

Fez, stop being an idiot. And if you want someone to be respectful enough to call you by your new name stop being insulting. You get what you give, Fez.

Also, the French in Mali insisted it was France's sphere and said only they could go in it. As it is they are completely dependent upon the US for resupply and movement as the French lack heavy lift capacity. Which is an example of what I spoke about earlier. When just the US and four others out of 28 NATO members are living up to the obligation of the treaty then something is seriously wrong. 23 out of 28 really are trying to freeload.

You stop being a moron.

And start calling me by my actual name if you want any kind of respect.

I'm not the idiot quoting tabloids and taking them as fact. You're terrible at this. You're the new Fez.

"As it is they are completely dependent upon the US for resupply and movement as the French lack heavy lift capacity. Which is an example of what I spoke about earlier."

Total bull****. The US only offered symbolic support and the French Navy definitely has that capability.

You still didn't address all the airbases the French have throughout Africa which have a capability of striking targets in the middle east. You really don't have a clue what you're talking about. You're 23 out of 28 number is from a ****ing tabloid website.

Learn something from your candidate Trump;s mistakes... TABLOID WEBSITES ARE NOT SOURCES.

[Giancarlo]

And it isn't my fault you don't know what you're talking about half the time. And half of the time... ****... I'm being GENEROUS.

In reality, it seems like you're just utterly clueless about everything. You're just about as bad as Ben.

You didn't address my points about airbases, GDPs or anything. You harp on about some stupid make-believe number and some nonsense about the French lacking heavy lift capacity. Crock of crap.

[Ben Kenobi]

And no, I do not favour getting NATO into Ukraine. Kiev is 850 KM to Moscow. I don't expect Russians to live with that so long as we're adversaries.

Disagree. The US signed an agreement with the Ukraine. The US needs to honor their agreement with the Ukraine.

[kentonio]

You stop being a moron.

And start calling me by my actual name if you want any kind of respect.

Not getting involved in the wider disagreement between you both, but on a point of etiquette you asked him to use your new name, he immediately did as you asked, and in the very next post you called him 'dinner dunce'. It seemed really rude.

[kentonio]

Open to the floor- if Russia launched a serious invasion of Estonia, would you start nuking Russian cities?

Late reply as I've been off partying in Hungary, but no you wouldn't start nuking Russian cities. You'd respond by mobilizing as many conventional assets as you could and start hitting targets from the air that degrade Russian defences in Estonia and along the Russian border with Europe, hurting Russia without causing it to fear an imminent invasion of Russian soil. At the same time you deliver the ultimatum that they leave Estonia or face a very real war. If they refuse that ultimatum then a war starts of the likes we haven't seen since WW2. Still nukes are not used. Although you would expect heavy air attacks on Russian soil and attacks on their navy if it shows its face, an invasion of Russian land is still very unlikely, with the possible exception of Kalingrad (which is a potential nuclear escalation point due to their alleged basing of nukes there). The risk of mutual nuclear destruction even with extremely careful planning to avoid invading Russia itself would be so high that you'd have to consider it more likely than not realistically.

This is why unilateral disarmament would be stupid. The current status quo basically ensures that Russia cannot risk an invasion of Estonia because they know that in doing so they risk destruction as much indirectly as part of some huge strategic plan. Without western nuclear weapons, that risk is removed. Even if they have no intention of using their own weapons, they can launch conventional wars safe in the knowledge that their own territory is sancrosanct and nobody elses is.

[Bereta_Eder]

the atlantic report is expectedly full of holes.

My eye just dropped on the georgia incident... the real events seem to have happened very differently.

also it is always reassuring to be witness to the infamous anglo-american diplomatic defficiency sydrome

[Bereta_Eder]

Disagree. The US signed an agreement with the Ukraine. The US needs to honor their agreement with the Ukraine.

Actually the developments in Ukraine had been predetermined 20 years ago
(this is where bebro will accuse me of conspiracy theories and I'll just slap this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Grand_Chessboard on his forehead)

The only variable was russia's reaction. it chose... wisely
books are great read them and always use your own filter

[Giancarlo]

Not getting involved in the wider disagreement between you both, but on a point of etiquette you asked him to use your new name, he immediately did as you asked, and in the very next post you called him 'dinner dunce'. It seemed really rude.

No, he did not. He continued with it.

[C0ckney]

He didn't say that did he? He asked if people thought we should.

Myself at least thinks yes, go full postal for any NATO member otherwise NATO is meaningless in the face of calculated aggression. I doubt I'm alone.

And no, I do not favour getting NATO into Ukraine. Kiev is 850 KM to Moscow. I don't expect Russians to live with that so long as we're adversaries.

Those weapons serve a very real purpose. They keep countries that could destroy the lives of millions from starting **** that would destroy the lives of millions.

so you would use nuclear weapons if putin invaded estonia? yeah, that's madness. and making sure that people with your views can never use nuclear weapons is a good reason not to have them.

also, you and others keep asserting your last statement, but that doesn't make it true. i suppose in a way it's unrebuttable, rather like someone saying that god exists and that everything we see around is his creation; but i doubt you or i would take such an argument seriously...

[Dinner]

Ok, just so we can all have a good laugh here is season one episode one of Yes, Prime Minister. Watch the whole thing and pay attention to the discussion between the PM and the Austrian fellow.

https://www.google.com/search?q=yes+prime+minister+youtube&oq=yes%2C++prime+minister+&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l3.9167j0j4&client=ms-android-verizon&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

[C0ckney]

many a true word spoken in jest...

[The Mad Monk]

Your whole country is voting on a chewing gum brand? Ridiculous. Anyway, I prefer Juicy Fruit.

Edit:



Oops. I guess I should have read the thread.

I'm just happy that someone else had the same idea.

[kentonio]

No, he did not. He continued with it.

Go back and check. Posts #114, #116, #117.

[Giancarlo]

Go back and check. Posts #114, #116, #117.

I only acted that way because he was being disrespectful, period. I stand by what I have said.

[Dauphin]

So, now that France is "officially" at war with IS, is all of NATO at war with IS, and can we test/use nukes on IS?