Pope: Catholics should ask gay people for forgiveness

[Ben Kenobi]

Maybe you should actually address the constitutional argument?

[Giancarlo]

Maybe you should actually address the constitutional argument?

What constitutional argument? You know nothing about the constitution, so you aren't capable in making an argument in that perspective.

[Bereta_Eder]

Let's start with plunging holes in conventional christianity's teachings.

They say god is omnipotent. (another screwed translation from the greek - pantodynamos - all powerful)

If he is, can he create a rock so heavy that he can't lift it?

Answer: he can't and so he's not omnipotent as christianity teaches.

So if dogmas are wrong about one thing they can certaintly be wrong about other things.

Better base society on man.

(bonus: epicurus)
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

[Ben Kenobi]

If he is, can he create a rock so heavy that he can't lift it?

Answer: he can't and so he's not omnipotent as christianity teaches.

Mathematically, such a rock would no longer exist, at least not as matter.

[Ben Kenobi]

What constitutional argument?

That there is no obligation in the Constitution to provide for education.

[Giancarlo]

That there is no obligation in the Constitution to provide for education.

Again, Ben doesn't know what the Constitution says. Does the constitution forbid murder specifically? How about due process? What this pinhead doesn't realize is the Constitution allows for and promotes a system of laws.

We didn't get Miranda rights until Miranda v. Arizona. The Constitution allows the branches of government to operate in a capacity governed by laws. Education is part of the law and is a public service (as far as public education).

Ben wants it all privatized to create a society of brainwashed idiots like himself.

[Giancarlo]

Public education is allowed by the law, which is allowed by the constitution. Check mate!

Edit: Are driving licenses allowed by the constitution? Is safe drinking water allowed by the constitution (no, its a law - clean air act)? Are public parks allowed by the constitution? Is privacy allowed by the constitution? Etc, etc, etc.

Again many of what I named is allowed by the law. The constitution is merely a framework for the law to operate

[Berzerker]

Why does the state pay for education? The state has an interest in children and in regularizing marriage. From these presuppositions, the conclusion can be drawn that the state has an interest in recognizing marriage between one man and one woman.

Indeed it does, and Yes, I believe that the state has a role in regularizing marriage. If you had it your way, there would be zero marriage licenses issued. I disagree with that.

I'm the only one here arguing for the constitution.

The Constitution doesn't mention education or marriage

[rah]

Actually it's like accidentally asking Sheldon on The Big Bang Theory about the origins of the word toast.

No one really cares about the answer and don't want to hear him explain anything since it's boring.

[Giancarlo]

Toast? Too exciting. Talking to Ben is like talking about the invention of the toilet. Crapper!

[Berzerker]

Public education is allowed by the law, which is allowed by the constitution. Check mate!

Edit: Are driving licenses allowed by the constitution? Is safe drinking water allowed by the constitution (no, its a law - clean air act)? Are public parks allowed by the constitution? Is privacy allowed by the constitution? Etc, etc, etc.

Again many of what I named is allowed by the law. The constitution is merely a framework for the law to operate

no - DLs are issued by states
yes - water and pollution are transitory
yes - parks are a function of public lands/use
yes - the 4th amendment

public education is not allowed by the Constitution

you've seriously mis-interpreted the Constitution if you believe Congress can do what it wants

the constitution is a grant of powers, read the 10th amendment

[Ben Kenobi]

Are driving licenses allowed by the constitution?

Yes, because driving is a privilege and not a right. This is different from owning a gun, which is a right and not a privilege. Hence, constitutional carry.

Is safe drinking water allowed by the constitution (no, its a law - clean air act)?

There is no right to drinking water. Just as there is no right to free food, etc. But there is the right to bear arms, to freedom of speech and expression, to exercise of religious faith.

Are public parks allowed by the constitution?

Nope.

Is privacy allowed by the constitution? Etc, etc, etc

What do you mean by a 'right to privacy'? I would argue no - per Griswald. There's nothing in the constitution speaking of privacy, though there are aspects of what we'd term privacy rights that *are* protected. 8th amendment against unreasonable search, etc.

[Giancarlo]

no - DLs are issued by states
yes - water and pollution are transitory
yes - parks are a function of public lands/use
yes - the 4th amendment

public education is not allowed by the Constitution

you've seriously mis-interpreted the Constitution if you believe Congress can do what it wants

the constitution is a grant of powers, read the 10th amendment

Nope. Those aren't. The clean air act was written into law. Reread my post please. You seriously misread the entire thing.

I didn't misinterpret anything and I didn't say Congress can do whatever it wants.

Libertarians

I only studied government and politics for six years.

If you read my posts you would understand what I was saying. If clean air was guaranteed in the constitution, the clean air act wouldn't be required.

[Giancarlo]

Yes, because driving is a privilege and not a right. This is different from owning a gun, which is a right and not a privilege. Hence, constitutional carry.



There is no right to drinking water. Just as there is no right to free food, etc. But there is the right to bear arms, to freedom of speech and expression, to exercise of religious faith.



Nope.



What do you mean by a 'right to privacy'? I would argue no - per Griswald. There's nothing in the constitution speaking of privacy, though there are aspects of what we'd term privacy rights that *are* protected. 8th amendment against unreasonable search, etc.

You are clueless as to what the second amendment actually says. It talks about militias. Are you part of one?

[Ben Kenobi]

Nope. Those aren't. The clean air act was written into law. Reread my post please. You seriously misread the entire thing.

There's nothing in the clean air act that states anything to do with a constitutional right to water. You have the right to water - if you can pay your bill.

I didn't misinterpret anything and I didn't say Congress can do whatever it wants.

The problem is that you made up an argument out of whole cloth.

If clean air was guaranteed in the constitution, the clean air act wouldn't be required

Dred Scott was law too. Just because a law is passed doesn't make it constitutional.

You are clueless as to what the second amendment actually says. It talks about militias. Are you part of one?

Rights are possessed by individuals not collectives. This is a fundamental misunderstanding.