Pope: Catholics should ask gay people for forgiveness

[Bespin]

Wow. For one I have done a great job defending my arguments. You don't have a clue about my arguments. You argue like a child.

To be fair, your agumentation tactics mostly seem to be to call Ben stupid and proclaim your world-view as superior because you base it on science and empirical evidence.

[Bespin]

Sorry but no. My argument has been well backed and well supported. Ben simply hasn't. Ben is a compulsive liar who has been stuck in religious fanaticism for decades. I have more than a great understanding of his argument. His type is quite common... He lacks critical thinking and that is why he is easily sucked into religious fanaticism and bigotry.

The guy accuses me of doing a terrible job at defending my argument. Look through this thread. Ben has done an awful job at defending anything. It wasn't only me. When he gets cornered, he quickly changes the subject and engages in various lies. He is a **** debater.



Again, a religious fanatic has a distorted view of the world. His world view is completely incorrect if you look at actual evidence. He is in the wrong. And his bigotry has stunk up this thread. And I think he needs a refund on his history degree... His knowledge of the constitution is one of the worst I have ever seen.

Maybe it's time Ming just locks this thread. It is obvious Ben is only here to stroke his own ego.

Your argumentation is correct according to yourself, not according to Ben. You seem to be stuck in the exact same cycle of 'my world-view is the only one that is right' as Ben.

I don't defend him and what he says at all, actually, factually speaking I am on your side. But, the way you present yourself and your arguments is just as infuriating as when Ben says something less than stellar. And yes, I agree, Bens tactics of shifting the discussion far away from the topic at hand is an ugly one, it is commony used online, I hate it myself.

You seem to be blinded in order to crush Ben and his truth, that you starting to sound like an upside-down version of him (Stranger Things analogy).

Just think about it...

[Giancarlo]

To be fair, your agumentation tactics mostly seem to be to call Ben stupid and proclaim your world-view as superior because you base it on science and empirical evidence.

I have used evidence to back my world view, including links throughout this thread. Just take a look. And I am not the only one that calls Ben stupid. Many people here do that. That is a fact. He is stupid and ignorant.

So you say you are being fair? I don't think so.

[Bespin]

I have used evidence to back my world view, including links throughout this thread. Just take a look. And I am not the only one that calls Ben stupid. Many people here do that. That is a fact. He is stupid and ignorant.

So you say you are being fair? I don't think so.

Why are you so worked up by what people say on the internet? I've only been here a short time, and you seem to be angry or aggressive in many cases... I am fair, I agree with your point of view, but not in your way of arguing.

[Giancarlo]

Why are you so worked up by what people say on the internet? I've only been here a short time, and you seem to be angry or aggressive in many cases... I am fair, I agree with your point of view, but not in your way of arguing.

Who says I'm worked up? LOL

I am having fun here and you think I am taking Ben seriously?

My way of arguing is just fine. Sure I treat Ben like ****, but most people do that here too.

[Bespin]

Who says I'm worked up? LOL

I am having fun here and you think I am taking Ben seriously?

My way of arguing is just fine. Sure I treat Ben like ****, but most people do that here too.

That is one of the worst arguments I've heard, in like...ever. I presume you understand why that's a really terrible thing to say?

[Giancarlo]

That is one of the worst arguments I've heard, in like...ever. I presume you understand why that's a really terrible thing to say?

Um yes it would be terrible for anyone, except Ben. Ask what others think of Ben and look at how they treat him here. He is a horrible person and is an admitted criminal who steals from the poor.

Again, I don't care for Ben. The way he hates on LGBT people is enough for me to treat him like ****.

[Bespin]

Um yes it would be terrible for anyone, except Ben. Ask what others think of Ben and look at how they treat him here. He is a horrible person and is an admitted criminal who steals from the poor.

Again, I don't care for Ben. The way he hates on LGBT people is enough for me to treat him like ****.

Just to point out, you're doing what you just said that Ben does, shifting the conversation to focus on his awefulness. I don't give a flying sh*t about Ben. I don't agree with his arguments the least, and I don't plan on spending an extra second on his world-view.

You on the other hand, seem like a resonable, and relatively competent and smart person. I don't understand why you are so h*llbent on going down to his level?

If I as a third part just look at your conversation, it looks like two small petulant children are arguing with each other, calling each other names. Something that seems baffling to me when you argue that you are a man of science. If you believe Ben is a lost cause, just stop for gods sake.

[kentonio]

How is the state depriving them of water?

if you put a price on water, there will be people who cannot afford to pay that price.

Self-sufficiency and Liberty?

You just added 'self-sufficiency' because it suits your own beliefs. The time when the declaration was made, self sufficiency was just a part of life because there was no viable alternative for a lot of people.

What does that say about the writers of the constitution that they believed that the right to bear arms was an enumerated right? To me it states clearly that they believed that the constitution was written to put a check on the powers of the state, not on the powers of the people.

Of course it was intended to put checks on the state, because it was written at a time when states genuinely oppressed the hell out of their citizens. It's amusing however that people like you don't give a damn about genuine state oppression (such as the horrorshow of rights violations that was the Patriot Act), but scream like a little ***** about a right that has basically no significance any more in the face of a military that could not be stopped by citizen owned firearms.

As for water - supplying things to someone can only be paid by taking things from someone else. I do not have a right to demand that my neighbor pay for my water bill. If I don't pay my water bill I get cut off. I suppose in Kentonioland things like water bills do not exist.

You are such a blithering idiot, it amazes me you can actually tie your own shoelaces. Every facet of your life has depended on subsidized, socialized services. Every time you drive down the street you're using infrastructure that was built using the wealth of society to provide a service to society. Yet apparently ensuring every citizen has access to the most fundemental resource of all, water, is some evil drain on the public purse.

Why should you be expected to pay for your neighbours water? Because you're a human being (sort of) who has benefited by the countless trillions of dollars former and current Canadian and American tax payers contributed to build those countries which allowed you to survive, get an educate (although we have our doubts..), and eventually relocate to a far away place where you actually wanted to be. Turn the clock back 200 years like your childish fantasies and you'd be stuck in a dead end ****ty job in the town you grew up in and you'd probably die there too.

You are quite literally the most selfish person posting here. The idea of helping other people to ensure they (and the very society you live in) thrive and flourish is just something beyond your apparent comprehension. It's kind of sad that you're such a very broken individual, who struggles with concepts other people find natural.

[Ming]

And on top of all of that, he claims the religious high ground, but refuses to follow the leader of his Church.

[Bespin]

And on top of all of that, he claims the religious high ground, but refuses to follow the leader of his Church.

Seriously, who cares?

You guys keep on taking his bait over and over.

Just let the dude be. He's not even worth spending the time to respond to, because he will always skew the discussion towards something else.

[Ming]

We know... and then he will look like a moron on the subject he changes it to. All part of the game for the bored

In this thread alone... he's proven himself a criminal, claims to know what God Thinks, has claimed that a pope or the Vatican Lies, has had many of his "facts" shot down as lies, and so much more. The hole is so deep, that he just has to keep on digging.
And on top of all that, he takes pride in the fact this monument to his own stupidity is one of the largest threads.

You can't make this kind of stuff up...

[Giancarlo]

Just to point out, you're doing what you just said that Ben does, shifting the conversation to focus on his awefulness. I don't give a flying sh*t about Ben. I don't agree with his arguments the least, and I don't plan on spending an extra second on his world-view.

I have for many times discussed topics in full. It isn't my fault you haven't looked through this thread. I have a reputation for not letting an issue go. Ben makes this thread personal and all about him.

You on the other hand, seem like a resonable, and relatively competent and smart person. I don't understand why you are so h*llbent on going down to his level?

Except I have never done that and only call things as they are. You have your opinion and I approach this menace as I see fit.

If I as a third part just look at your conversation, it looks like two small petulant children are arguing with each other, calling each other names. Something that seems baffling to me when you argue that you are a man of science. If you believe Ben is a lost cause, just stop for gods sake.

This funny thing is you spend more time attacking me than you have done with Ben. So you aren't a third party. A truly neutral person wouldn't be doing that. Sorry.

I do what I please. When I see that ass slandering my community, I will say something about it and you will not stop me

[Giancarlo]

Seriously, who cares?

You guys keep on taking his bait over and over.

Just let the dude be. He's not even worth spending the time to respond to, because he will always skew the discussion towards something else.

When he says **** about LGBT people I will say something about it. You don't know who is coming on here to read his hatred. People like Ben drove me to self hate in the past and I will respond. End of story.

[Bespin]

I have for many times discussed topics in full. It isn't my fault you haven't looked through this thread. I have a reputation for not letting an issue go. Ben makes this thread personal and all about him.



Except I have never done that and only call things as they are. You have your opinion and I approach this menace as I see fit.



This funny thing is you spend more time attacking me than you have done with Ben. So you aren't a third party. A truly neutral person wouldn't be doing that. Sorry.

I do what I please. When I see that ass slandering my community, I will say something about it and you will not stop me

It didn't take me long to figure that Ben is a classic internet-troll. I see them everywhere, and I try not to indulge in their stupid games. As such I just ignore his part of the conversation, compleatly. He is not interesting.

You on the other hand, is interesting. The rational part of your mind must understand that this is a hopeless cause, but for some reason you still indulge in this madness. I mean, what do you hope to get out of this? IF Ben ever gives in? What will you have won? Is this really that important? Will you write this on your CV?