Pope: Catholics should ask gay people for forgiveness

[Giancarlo]

This fool is equating legalizing same sex marriage with the decline of heterosexual marriage. At this point, I am just going to put him on my ignore list. This idiot doesn't know what a false equivalence means. He just doesn't grasp reality.

[Giancarlo]

I've only used two premisses. One - that marriage in general is beneficial to the state, and two - that marriage benefits actually work at increasing the marriage rate. From there - pretty much everything else follows.

You have no evidence you idiot! Show me the evidence or stop posting the same stupid inferences.

[Giancarlo]

Then you're admitting that I'm actually citing facts in defense of my argument and that the facts, (at least for BC), are correct. Thank you, Giancarlo.

No you didn't because there is nothing there that proves anything. You made a false equivalence and basically blamed gay people for the alleged decline of straight marriage. You are a ****ing moron who cannot read. I didn't acknowledge anything. your source is bull****.

[Ben Kenobi]

This idiot doesn't know what a false equivalence means.

I've not argued that. I've simply argued that the marriage rate is so small as to be irrelevant to the overall picture.

[Ben Kenobi]

I didn't acknowledge anything. your source is bull****.

It is statistics Canada. I find the 60 percent from outside of BC amusing, when 98 percent of marriages in general are in-province.

[Giancarlo]

I've not argued that. I've simply argued that the marriage rate is so small as to be irrelevant to the overall picture.

Nobody ****ing cares.

It isn't so small and it isn't irrelevant.

You ignorant ass. At least try to read what I have posted instead of making up stupid ****.

[Giancarlo]

It is statistics Canada. I find the 60 percent from outside of BC amusing, when 98 percent of marriages in general are in-province.

Don't care. The province of BC has a miniscule population. Who ****ing cares? Look up big cities in the US and you get a whole different picture.

[Ben Kenobi]

It isn't so small and it isn't irrelevant.

Yes, yes - it is. Marriage overall is in decline even after homosexual marriage, on a gross marriage basis - not even taking into account population growth.

[Giancarlo]

Yes, yes - it is. Marriage overall is in decline even after homosexual marriage, on a gross marriage basis - not even taking into account population growth.

False Equivalence.

Same sex marriage has nothing to do with any alleged decline of heterosexual marriage.

So no it is not.

[Ben Kenobi]

You're right about that. It's so small as to be irrelevant.

[Jon Miller]

Same sex marriage has nothing to do with any alleged decline of heterosexual marriage.

So no it is not.

It is probably related. Marriage use to be primarily about uniting families, a socioeconomic partnership and raising children.

Not about romantic love.

JM

[Giancarlo]

You're right about that. It's so small as to be irrelevant.

Don't ****ing misread what I posted.

Same sex marriage has helped raise revenues for the state. You argue that straight couples need more preferences which is illegal and unconstitutional.

I am done with you. say hello to my ignore list. I am not going to lose my cool over a freaking pathetic lying loser like you!

[Giancarlo]

It is probably related. Marriage use to be primarily about uniting families, a socioeconomic partnership and raising children.

Not about romantic love.

JM

No it isn't. False equivalence.

And same sex marriages are often about raising children. Oh and they are about uniting families and being a socioeconomic partnership too.

Just ask gay couples and realize that.

[Proteus_MST]

I've said demographic changes about 20 times in the thread. This is the real problem for the state to figure out a way to get this up. Germany's solution is to bring in immigrants. The problem with Merkel's argument is counterintuitive. There will not be enough immigrants after about 2025 or so. You'll see a bump up, then the long, slow, secular slide.

We're doing that in Canada. It isn't working - marriage overall is down. It's been 10 years, long enough to assess that the current policy regime is a failure.

That only means, however, that the increase of marriages after introduction of homosexual marrtiages in said province (i.e. BC) wasn't big enough to counter the general decline.
Very probably marriage rates would be even lower (and the decline even steeper) if said province wouldn't have introduced homosexual marriages

[Ben Kenobi]

Very probably marriage rates would be even lower (and the decline even steeper) if said province wouldn't have introduced homosexual marriages

Well, given that most were out of province... I don't think it's reasonable to conclude that it had a significant effect on the marriage rate in general. It's an artifact of the time when it passed (2003). Since then the general trend hasn't really abated.

We couldn't even take from the stats the general stats for the in-province marriages - because the majority are outside - that would make all the data collected there meaningless because it's not actually measuring the in-province demand. Then you have the argument that rates on initiation are higher... etc.

The basic conclusion I've seen is, "why was it worth it?" But the raw year to year numbers aren't commonly discussed in BC.