Pope: Catholics should ask gay people for forgiveness

[Proteus_MST]

I'm not sure how you would come to this conclusion? I'm arguing that these desires are natural - but that they must be controlled in order to be beneficial. That goes on both sides of the line. Every sensible person believes this. For someone who lacks alcoholism, there is nothing wrong with them drinking in moderation.

So, for a homosexual couple there is nothing wrong with engaging in homosexual intercourse in moderation ... just as for a heterosexual couple

Nonsense. If this were done, there wouldn't be children. I am saying that there is a proper outlet for sexual inclination. That outlet being one man and one woman in marriage. Indulging in sex outside of marriage causes problems up and down the line.

You said that homosexual desires are natural ... sounds to me like a proper outlet also would be one man and one man or one woman and one woman.
And marriage is no "magical" protection from STDs ... expecially if it isn't combined weith faithfulness. People who are having sex without being married, but are faithful to each other are usually better protected from STDs than people who are married but where one of those 2 regularly cheats on his spouse

Of course, being married may be a psychological factor that keeps a couple from cheating on each other ... one more reason why homosexual couples should have the right to get married

[Giancarlo]

What do you believe the purpose of sex is, Giancarlo? And I ask rah the same question.

I love my boyfriend and that is all the reason I ever need. If you cannot accept that, it isn't my problem.

[Giancarlo]

I think religious fundamentalism and conservatism is more dangerous to ones health than sex. Period. Ben you should abstain from religion.

[Ben Kenobi]

So, for a homosexual couple there is nothing wrong with engaging in homosexual intercourse in moderation ... just as for a heterosexual couple

Only if you regard the union as the same. It is not.

homosexual desires are natural

We have many 'natural' impulses that we ought to control. Natural in the sense that it comes from nature.

proper outlet also would be one man and one man or one woman and one woman

If that were the case why do we have men and women?

And marriage is no "magical" protection from STDs ... expecially if it isn't combined weith faithfulness. People who are having sex without being married, but are faithful to each other are usually better protected from STDs than people who are married but where one of those 2 regularly cheats on his spouse

Married people have fewer partners.

Of course, being married may be a psychological factor that keeps a couple from cheating on each other ... one more reason why homosexual couples should have the right to get married

Mhmm - which is why I've directed the conversation back to the point as to "what is the purpose of sex". I once believed exactly what you stated here, until I realized that sex has a different meaning.

[rah]

The biological purpose of sex is reproduction. DOH
Nature made it fun or the human race would have gone extinct a long time ago.

Sex serves many purposes. It's a bonding element. It keeps couples together. Whether traditional or non-traditional.
It can help battle depression. As with many things in life, it's not just about one thing.

Is it a sin for a women to have sex after she knows she's pregnant? Somehow I don't remember the nuns discussing that with us in school.

[Ben Kenobi]

I love my boyfriend and that is all the reason I ever need. If you cannot accept that, it isn't my problem.

Ok. I don't believe that sex is just about love, Giancarlo. That is the difference. I can love someone without having sex with them, and sex is more than just about the love that I share with her.

[Ben Kenobi]

Sex serves many purposes. It's a bonding element. It keeps couples together. Whether traditional or non-traditional.
It can help battle depression. As with many things in life, it's not just about one thing.

As I see it sex has a spiritual and a physical component. The physical component forms the emotional and physical bond between yourself and the other person - to cause you to crave one another. The other aspect of the physical component is the making babies part.

Then you have the whole union of two souls together. That is why I don't see sex as a recreational activity - fun as it may be. It's also why it's important to keep it in it's correct context - between husband and wife.

[Giancarlo]

Ok. I don't believe that sex is just about love, Giancarlo. That is the difference. I can love someone without having sex with them, and sex is more than just about the love that I share with her.

Stupid remark. My relationship is intimate and more close than anything you have ever experienced in your horrible life. Sex is part of my relationship and the love he and I have.

[Giancarlo]

As I see it sex has a spiritual and a physical component. The physical component forms the emotional and physical bond between yourself and the other person - to cause you to crave one another. The other aspect of the physical component is the making babies part.

Then you have the whole union of two souls together. That is why I don't see sex as a recreational activity - fun as it may be. It's also why it's important to keep it in it's correct context - between husband and wife.

Sex is about popping out babies for you basically. That is all you view it as. George Carlin was right. Conservatives view women as broodmares.

[rah]

If it isn't obvious already Ben, none of us give a rat's ass how you think of sex. That's your personal issue. Just like it is for everyone else.
So you should butt out of everyone else's lives about it.
If you want to self limit yourself, Knock yourself out.

Why waste natures greatest gift.
Only a halfwit would look at a naked sexy woman and be thinking about their souls.

[Giancarlo]

Two people of the same sex shouldn't have sex because they don't have the same intimacy as a man and woman... According to Ben. Oh and they can't reproduce and have 10 kids.

[Ben Kenobi]

Sex is about popping out babies for you basically. That is all you view it as. George Carlin was right. Conservatives view women as broodmares.

I already stated what I believed sex was about, Gian. Catholics believe that all sex should be open to having children.

[Ben Kenobi]

Only a halfwit would look at a naked sexy woman and be thinking about their souls.

Eloquently stated, rah.

[rah]

I'm still waiting for answer on

Is it a sin for a women to have sex after she knows she's pregnant?

[Giancarlo]

I already stated what I believed sex was about, Gian. Catholics believe that all sex should be open to having children.

Catholicism has nothing wise to say about sex. The church only knows how to cover up crimes. Hardly a shining source. And I really don't give a **** about the church.