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  • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
    IMO - if you're willing to sell your foodstamps for smokes and booze, you shouldn't be getting them. I have no qualms with giving a fair deal to people scamming the system so I can use them in the manner they were intended. You know, to actually buy food.
    If it's illegal, it is illegal.
    Does the catholic church teach that doing illegal activities is O.K.?
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    Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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    • If it's illegal, it is illegal.
      If you're selling them you don't need them.
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      • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
        IMO - if you're willing to sell your foodstamps for smokes and booze, you shouldn't be getting them. I have no qualms with giving a fair deal to people scamming the system so I can use them in the manner they were intended. You know, to actually buy food.
        So you partake in criminal activity and not report it? Food stamps are often meant for kids. As someone who works with the authorities, this type of activity must be reported immediately.

        Your argument is like "I saw this guy selling stolen electronics for half the sale price... I had to get them! Great deal!"
        For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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        • Ben can never pretend he has moral principles again.
          You tell him what he did was illegal and all he does is tries to justify it.
          It's just like he debates.
          What a lowlife.
          It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
          RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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          • Again, what can we expect next.
            1. He doubles down and continues to try to justify his illegal activity to claim it's not really illegal.
            2. He changes the topic.
            3. He ASKS THE QUESTION.

            It's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
            RIP Tony Bogey & Baron O

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            • Ben isn't just violating state laws. Food stamps are often funded federally and are subject to federal law. Ben admitted to violating federal law. As authorities often check websites and forums, he potentially screwed himself.



              Buying food stamps is a federal offense.
              For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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              • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                What sin? I'm not the one selling public benefits for smokes and booze. Sales would instantly stop if the folks selling them were cut off from their benefits. In which case, I'd be providing a public service to Texas by helping them find people who didn't need the benefits.
                If you got caught doing this and were convicted, the School you work at would fire you in a second. Even they would see what a bad influence you are on children.
                You constantly defend people who act illegally and now you are promoting your illegal acts as a good thing. You should never be allowed to be in a position to teach children.
                Keep on Civin'
                RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                • Originally posted by Ming View Post
                  If you got caught doing this and were convicted, the School you work at would fire you in a second. Even they would see what a bad influence you are on children.
                  You constantly defend people who act illegally and now you are promoting your illegal acts as a good thing. You should never be allowed to be in a position to teach children.
                  He would be indicted in federal court by a federal grand jury. Food stamps, being federally funded, are ofttimes meant for hungry children. Any form of abuse must be reported to the authorities.

                  Food stamps, for the most part, are effective in feeding children and have a two to one impact on the economy. They have double the benefits of any costs.
                  For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                  • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                    If you're selling them you don't need them.
                    Well, aside from it still remaining illegal ...
                    You said in a previous posting, that you think that they used the money in order to finance their alcoholism and tobacco addiction.

                    So, is it moral to finance someone elses addictions (thereby probably preventing him from getting over said addictions and leading a normal life), just for your own personal gains (i.e. getting cheap food stamps)?
                    Tamsin (Lost Girl): "I am the Harbinger of Death. I arrive on winds of blessed air. Air that you no longer deserve."
                    Tamsin (Lost Girl): "He has fallen in battle and I must take him to the Einherjar in Valhalla"

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                    • This is a PDF file that discusses that food stamp abuse is a federal crime and can be prosecuted as such. Source: US Department of Agriculture
                      For there is [another] kind of violence, slower but just as deadly, destructive as the shot or the bomb in the night. This is the violence of institutions -- indifference, inaction, and decay. This is the violence that afflicts the poor, that poisons relations between men because their skin has different colors. - Bobby Kennedy (Mindless Menance of Violence)

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                      • So you partake in criminal activity and not report it? Food stamps are often meant for kids. As someone who works with the authorities, this type of activity must be reported immediately.
                        Meant for kids? Not in the US, no. These are folks who are scamming the system, applying for benefits that they do not need.

                        Your argument is like "I saw this guy selling stolen electronics for half the sale price... I had to get them! Great deal!"
                        I actually stopped doing it when I realized that the true reason for food stamps was to raise the price of groceries for everybody, and that rather than decreasing food stamp use, I was increasing it by sending a signal to the system that there was greater demand for them.
                        Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                        "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
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                        • Gee BK... What's next in your attempt to defend your illegal actions?
                          Ask a stupid question?
                          Try to change the definition of what you did?
                          Claim the law is against the constitution and protected by religious freedom?
                          Claim that what you said is being interpreted wrong?
                          Making things up about what others have said?
                          Try to change the topic?
                          Blaming others for your actions?
                          Or simply stop posting the thread?

                          What's next... ANSWER THE QUESTION.
                          Keep on Civin'
                          RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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                          • You said in a previous posting, that you think that they used the money in order to finance their alcoholism and tobacco addiction.
                            I know they did because that is what they bought with the cash.

                            So, is it moral to finance someone elses addictions (thereby probably preventing him from getting over said addictions and leading a normal life), just for your own personal gains (i.e. getting cheap food stamps)?
                            Cash is neutral. They could use the cash for just about anything. Buying them alcohol is one thing, but giving them cash is not in itself making a moral decision for them, they are still choosing to use the money in such a fashion.

                            But you are right about that. I had long talks with the folks selling, and trying to point out why it was a bad deal for them and why they should get off the booze. Best thing I did was getting out of that arrangement when I could afford to do so.

                            I didn't like the arrangement where I was but, there were some really tough months for me, trying to dig out of a hole. I got out, partially because I was willing to scrimp and do what I could to get out. You have to save and build up a float again.
                            Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                            "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
                            2015 APOLYTON FANTASY FOOTBALL CHAMPION!

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                            • He would be indicted in federal court by a federal grand jury. Food stamps, being federally funded, are ofttimes meant for hungry children. Any form of abuse must be reported to the authorities.

                              Food stamps, for the most part, are effective in feeding children and have a two to one impact on the economy. They have double the benefits of any costs.
                              They are widely abused as a second currency. Food stamp abuse would be solved by cutting anyone who sells their card off, and having them with identifiers, like picture ID.
                              Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
                              "Remember the night we broke the windows in this old house? This is what I wished for..."
                              2015 APOLYTON FANTASY FOOTBALL CHAMPION!

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                              • Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                                They are widely abused as a second currency. Food stamp abuse would be solved by cutting anyone who sells their card off, and having them with identifiers, like picture ID.
                                Typical... trying to change the subject/issue. YOU BROKE THE LAW! And all of your lame justifications doesn't change that fact.
                                Your actions make you unfit to teach children. Your school would fire you if you were convicted for your actions.
                                Keep on Civin'
                                RIP rah, Tony Bogey & Baron O

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