Pope: Catholics should ask gay people for forgiveness

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Obviously Ben doesn't understand the definition of a regressive tax.

Maybe a simple look at Dictionary.com will enlighten him.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/regressive-tax?s=t

regressive tax definition

regressive tax definition

A tax that takes a higher percentage of low incomes than high ones. Sales taxes, especially on food, clothing, medicine, and other basic necessities are widely cited as examples of regressive taxes.

[Ben Kenobi]

This is false. This idiot doesn't even know his math. Stupid moron.

At 15 percent of 10.7k, that's 1616.5

At 6.25 of 20k, that's 1250.

If you save 20 percent you chop your effective sales tax down to about 5 and a quarter. Which will be 1050. You'd match income taxes if you're making anything under 16k.

Fulltime at 8 an hour would be, right about at that line.

[Ben Kenobi]

understand the definition of a regressive tax.

A regressive tax is one that would charge the same for everybody. Sales taxes are actually progressive in that wealthier people pay more.

Also, many food items are exempt. Bread, Milk, Flour, Sugar, Eggs, Fruits and Vegetables.

You could live paying no sales taxes whatsoever on food.

In the real world, almost everyone who's at 16k or below is getting food stamps, which means they aren't actually paying any sales tax.

[Giancarlo]

At 15 percent of 10.7k, that's 1616.5

At 6.25 of 20k, that's 1250.

If you save 20 percent you chop your effective sales tax down to about 5 and a quarter. Which will be 1050. You'd match income taxes if you're making anything under 16k.

Fulltime at 8 an hour would be, right about at that line.

Stupid bad math once again. He doesn't even know how income taxes work. I wonder if he has ever been audited.

The poor don't pay that much, idiot.

[Giancarlo]

A regressive tax is one that would charge the same for everybody. Sales taxes are actually progressive in that wealthier people pay more.

Bull ****ing ****! Sales taxes are regressive. They are not progressive. The poor pay a greater percentage of their income in sales taxes than income taxes.

[rah]

Stop changing the subject.
Your initial statement that started all of this was.

Actually income taxes hit the working poor and middle classes far harder than consumption taxes which actually hit the wealthy.

Now read the definition of regressive taxes one more time.

[rah]

Well now we can add to the list of
Ben knows more about his faith than the pope.
Ben knows more about the constitution than the supreme court.

Ben knows more about the definition of words than the dictionary.

The farce never ceases to amuse us.

[Ben Kenobi]

The poor don't pay that much, idiot.

Actually they do. 9225 is exempt. 15 for 20k to 9225, if I've understood the current brackets correctly.

[Ben Kenobi]

Now read the definition of regressive taxes one more time.

By your definition, income taxes are also regressive.

Ben knows more about the definition of words than the dictionary.

This is why there's little point in arguing about economics unless you actually state the terms. You keep throwing around 'regressive' as if it actually meant something.

Payroll taxes are the definition of regressive because everyone pretty much pays the same, and pays the same if they work. Income taxes are regressive, because the very wealthy do not pay them because most of their 'income' is not considered income.

Sales taxes are progressive in that wealthier people tend to pay more.

[Giancarlo]

Actually they do. 9225 is exempt. 15 for 20k to 9225, if I've understood the current brackets correctly.

This moron doesn't even know how taxes work.

Clueless on just about everything.

[Giancarlo]

I cannot believe he even tried to claim being gay was a choice.

This man is so incredibly stupid. I have seen stupid, but he really tops the list. Maybe we should give him a trophy.

[Ben Kenobi]

The math works out. If you're making more than 16k, you're paying more in income taxes than in sales taxes, if you can save 20 percent.

[Ben Kenobi]

I cannot believe he even tried to claim being gay was a choice.

Other than trying to shout me down, I don't see much of an argument against it. You said, "I tried but I failed". Why would I be swayed by a personal anecdote about your feelings? Many people can and do change. Just because you tried and failed, doesn't mean that others have also failed.

[Proteus_MST]

That position is contrary to what the Catholic church teaches. Which is my point about Ming.

The catholic church actually teaches that homosexuality can be changed?
Do you have links to that? (as I know this only as a position of fringe protestant sects)

[rah]

Why would I be swayed by a personal anecdote about your feelings?

This from a person that uses personal anecdotes routinely when he has no facts to back himself up.
Simply HILARIOUS.
Yes, Ben that's why none of your arguments every sway anybody here.