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Originally posted by Berzerker
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Gods make very poor leaders, overall. None of them seem very bright. I wouldn't follow a god too stupid to realize when his lies were exposed. And "you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die" was a stupid bluff anyway - "die" wasn't a concept that Adam would know about, yet.The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty…we will be remembered in spite of ourselves… The fiery trial through which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the last generation… We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth.
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You think following God actually defines leadership. But God issued an order and it was not followed, Eve did not order Adam to follow... He saw the tree and decided for himself, he lead. He (they) lead us to enlightenment. Had Adam "lead" using your definition of leading, we'd still be naked tilling God's garden and following orders.Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostComment
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Adam must have known about death otherwise why would God try to scare him away from the tree?Originally posted by grumbler View PostComment
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None of us actually know much. God has to try to get through to us regardless.Originally posted by grumbler View PostI drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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This thread isn't that bad ... for a MOBIUS thread.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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That's the point. Why would a god try to scare a man using the concept the man couldn't know to be scared of? It was like threatening Adam with a computer virus. That's just crappy leadership. Which, as I noted, gods are prone to. Look at Zeus in the Trojan War - pathetic leadership.Originally posted by Berzerker View Post
Anyone who follows a god has a fool for a leader. Any god who leads men has fools for followers.The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty…we will be remembered in spite of ourselves… The fiery trial through which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the last generation… We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth.
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A good leader is a good communicator. Gods are crappy communicators.Originally posted by Kidicious View PostThe dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty…we will be remembered in spite of ourselves… The fiery trial through which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the last generation… We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth.
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God isn't a school teacher for good reason. A school teacher can make you believe something with your intellect because he basically reads the answer book to you a little at a time each week. But he can't get you to believe something with your will. Only God can do that, and that takes being God, not just a leader, by human standards.Originally posted by grumbler View PostI drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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But my point is that gods are not just bad teachers (which they are, for sure), but bad communicators, decision-makers, etc. Adam's god could have kept Adam from eating the fruit of that tree (indeed, he could presumably not have even had such a tree tree), but he didn't. Evidence suggests that Adam's god set him up; that his god wanted him to eat the fruit. Gods are devious like that in almost all the pantheons.Originally posted by Kidicious View PostThe dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty…we will be remembered in spite of ourselves… The fiery trial through which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the last generation… We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth.
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You have a strange theology.But he can't get you to believe something with your will. Only God can do thatScouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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God didn't want Adam and Eve to eat the fruit, but he wanted them to have the choice of eating the fruit, which is symbolic of rejecting perfect oneness with God. The fact that God created human beings makes him awesome, not comparable to human beings. And that's what you're doing, comparing him to human beings. There really is no comparison because human beings are foolish in their rejection of godliness.Originally posted by grumbler View PostI drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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It's not theology. Don't accuse me of theology. It's just a simple run down of the possibilities of human knowing.Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostI drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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FTFYThe fact that man created god makes us awesomeIt's almost as if all his overconfident, absolutist assertions were spoonfed to him by a trusted website or subreddit. Sheeple
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I've heard that rationalization before and it wasn't credible then, either. The whole tree thing was a setup, the way the story appears in the bible, and it is clear from the story that Adam's god intended him to fail. Only Adam's failure and sin can advance the plot. We never hear about the tree or the fruit or any of that ever again in the story. There's a word for plot devices like the Tree: macguffin.Originally posted by Kidicious View Post
And the whole "you can't compare gods to people" bit is lame as well. Gods can't be anything people can't think of, because gods are created by peoples' imaginations. Only the worst stories have plot holes that can only be explained away as "that god works in mysterious ways."The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty…we will be remembered in spite of ourselves… The fiery trial through which we pass, will light us down, in honor or dishonor, to the last generation… We shall nobly save, or meanly lose, the last best hope of earth.
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Whether Adam was set up or not really isn't the point. You called God a bad communicator/teacher. I'm not just imagining him and rationalizing that he's a good communicator. I'm explaining to you that what you're calling bad communication really isn't. You can't communicate to someone how to be godly in the same way that you can teach them how to program a computer, certainly not humans who have a very ungodly nature.I drank beer. I like beer. I still like beer. ... Do you like beer Senator?
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