The tyranny of religion

[Kidlicious]

And how does that justify the point that Christianity does have leaders, that men are made for women, that women are made for men, and that Christ died to save us from our sins?

This is what you aren't getting, I don't have a problem with you getting married. In fact I think it's great. But you are judging people. You're trying to lord over them. Not getting married is not a sin. It doesn't harm people. Being married isn't going to save you either. It doesn't make you a better person. You are becoming a better person everyday, hopefully, whether you are single or married. But if you want to get married go for it.

[Berzerker]

Adam was a good leader when he followed God and a bad leader when he blamed Eve for his decision.

he didn't blame Eve, he told the truth - God didn't tell the truth and blamed everyone but himself

[Kidlicious]

He said, "the woman did eat, so I ate,"
which is the truth but it's also blaming her. But that raises the point that Eve didn't just eat the fruit (first), but she seduced her husband into doing so which in the eyes of God, a bad sin. But BK puts more blame on Adam, even though he claims otherwise. Notice he didn't say "what kind of woman is that" and this whole thing started with him claiming that a man needs a woman, nor a woman needs a man.

[Ben Kenobi]

he didn't blame Eve, he told the truth - God didn't tell the truth and blamed everyone but himself

Are you arguing that Adam had no ability to say no?

[Ben Kenobi]

But BK puts more blame on Adam

Please point out where I actually say, "Adam is more to blame than Eve".

[Ben Kenobi]

This is what you aren't getting, I don't have a problem with you getting married.

Ok, and I'm not arguing against you being married either. But - you have some serious issues with marriage that you are going to have to resolve. You seem to believe that it's bad to depend on someone else, particularly your wife. That baffles me. I'd marry someone because I can trust them. Not in spite of it.

But you are judging people.

How? I haven't said, "Kidicious needs to be a leader". You're judging yourself, Kid.

Not getting married is not a sin.

Something I didn't say. You've been married, Kid. I have not, how am I judging you when I say that most people are supposed to be married?

Being married isn't going to save you either. It doesn't make you a better person. You are becoming a better person everyday, hopefully, whether you are single or married. But if you want to get married go for it.

I would very much like it. And I agree, but I would also say that men and women can be very helpful to each other. I really don't see how that's a controversial statement. No man is an island, Kid.

him claiming that a man needs a woman, nor a woman needs a man.

True for most of us, and what scripture teaches.

[Ben Kenobi]

Are you arguing that Adam was passive aggressive

I've argued that part of his sin was disobedience to God, and that part of his sin was choosing to absolve himself of responsibility for his decision by blaming Eve.

[Ben Kenobi]

So free will doesn't exist?

[Kidlicious]

"But - you have some serious issues with marriage that you are going to have to resolve. You seem to believe that it's bad to depend on someone else, particularly your wife. "
-BK

I don't believe that it's bad to depend on people. What are you getting at?

Please put that DL on ignore.

[Ben Kenobl]

So women are not people now?

[Ben Kenobl]

You said it, not me.

I am a firm believer that you can learn things from women.

[Berzerker]

He said, "the woman did eat, so I ate,"
which is the truth but it's also blaming her. But that raises the point that Eve didn't just eat the fruit (first), but she seduced her husband into doing so which in the eyes of God, a bad sin. But BK puts more blame on Adam, even though he claims otherwise. Notice he didn't say "what kind of woman is that" and this whole thing started with him claiming that a man needs a woman, nor a woman needs a man.

Cant be sure of the "exact" text but Adam actually cited God - the woman YOU made and gave to me offered the knowledge

Are you arguing that Adam had no ability to say no?

Course not, he saw the tree and liked it and partook... He wanted it, how is that not leading? How do you call Adam a leader for following orders?

[Ben Kenobi]

Cant be sure of the "exact" text but Adam actually cited God - the woman YOU made and gave to me offered the knowledge

Yes? And? He made the decision to eat of the apple.

He wanted it, how is that not leading?

He just finished blaming Eve for giving it to him! That's not leadership.

How do you call Adam a leader for following orders?

In the face of people telling him to disobey an order? That takes leadership.

[ZEE]

Ben Kenobi I cannot stand your disrespect anymoar. It is time, Kenobi. It is TIME.

I am calling MarkG on his phone right now to tell him what you just poasted. I have to stop typing now so I can talk to him.

You are SCREWED Mr. Kenobi.

[ZEE]

I am still talking to him... you know how Greeks are.