what happened to the großrossiya thread

[Dinner]

What can I say? Women like us.

[Ming]

What can I say? Women like our money.

FIFY

[Ellestar]

Everyone, no matter whether man or woman, benefits from learning to defend him-/herself
After all, in germany, women are free to go out and be among themselves whenever they want and aren't forced to stay at home or let themselves continually be accompanied by their boyfriend/husband, if they want to go out

So, basically, you expect your women to man up and grow some balls? Seems like an awfully inefficient plan, even if it's likely to be approved by LGBT community, so it has some benefits. I mean, judging by the look of the Merkel, it worked in her case, but other than that, it's a plan that doesn't seem to be working.

You know, i think we're even willing to borrow you Putin for a year or two. I think he can teach your soon-to-be-men-again how to man up and grow some balls with his personal shirtless example. Surely, we need him to solve some problems here at home, but our problems seem to be small compared to yours - at least noone mass-rapes our women on the streets.

Some of the women we "import" from eastern countries surely are ukrainians (which, from my experience 2 decades ago, when I spent a few days at L' viv, are as beautiful as russian women and also are able to drink any german man (or woman) under the table ) but the majority surely are russians

Doubtful, but in any case, you need to change your strategy from importing women to importing men. Oh wait, what's what your migrants are all about, they're mostly males And it's supported by Merkel. I guess i'm not the only one who thinks that Germany lacks males Your women think so too

[BeBMan]

For someone who thinks dead Russian kids are not newsworthy you seem to care a whole lot about the well-being of German women

Also kudos for mixing in subtle racist stereotypes into a couple of your posts

[kentonio]

LOL.
Let's see what happened from 1900 to this day in Russia. Japanese War, revolution of 1905, WW I, revolution and a civil war, territorial losses, WW II (with our country suffering the biggest losses by far), cold war vs practically every single first world country, traitors running the country (Gorbachev), revolution, territorial losses, traitors running the country (Yeltsin), Putin, another cold war.

And let's not forget that even before it all started, in 1900, we were lagging in industry compared to other major powers and we didn't have colonies to pillage and to sell goods to, so inevitably we were much poorer too. So starting point wasn't that great either.

You were a huge but ****tily run country up until the revolution, which probably goes a fair way to explaining why the Japanese managed to kick your ass so comprehensively, despite being seemingly a lesser power. Since then you've become a wildly paranoid country, that thinks everyone is out to get them. In fairness I can sympathize with that in many ways, for instance in the west its very rarely taught that America invaded Russia immediately after the revolution in 1917. I only learned that a few years ago, and had a real 'what the ****?!' moment. I actually have quite a lot of sympathy for the original goals of communism, and certainly don't have any problems understanding why people brought up under a repressive monarchy would want a system that benefits the normal working people, not a ruling heirarchy.

The thing is though, Russia since the revolution has done some incredibly ****ed up things, and although the west have too, that doesn't excuse your actions. America and her allies have started numerous proxy (and a few direct) wars for national profit. Anyone who denies that doesn't know what they're talking about historically. Russia however held half of Europe in occupation for half a century. Is one worse than the other? Depends on your personal morality I suppose, but both are certainly hugely negative behaviour. Most of us in the west are genuinely willing to accept that the actions of our governments (which are always sold in propogandist terms to us, of freeing countries etc) are often negative once the truth is revealed. Look at how many people here now openly say the Iraq War was basically an illegal action. My question to you though is can you accept that things like the Soviet occupation of eastern Europe was also a bad thing that deserves to be critisized, or do you feel some nationalistic need to defend it despite knowing it was wrong?

So, basically, you expect your women to man up and grow some balls? Seems like an awfully inefficient plan, even if it's likely to be approved by LGBT community, so it has some benefits.

A surprisingly sexist viewpoint coming from a country whose women played such a huge part in WW2. Did you just shove them all back into the kitchen after they'd finished fighting and bleeding for you?

[The Mad Monk]

for instance in the west its very rarely taught that America invaded Russia immediately after the revolution in 1917. I only learned that a few years ago, and had a real 'what the ****?!' moment.

Hey, we just wanted our stuff back.

[The Mad Monk]

Also.

[The Mad Monk]

A surprisingly sexist viewpoint coming from a country whose women played such a huge part in WW2. Did you just shove them all back into the kitchen after they'd finished fighting and bleeding for you?

Apparently the fall of the Soviet Union caused the rebirth of "manliness".

[Dinner]

Why would we want to "borrow" Putin? Who would want a corrupt doctator who destroys the rule of law and isn't even good at running an economy?

[Dinner]

Apparently the fall of the Soviet Union caused the rebirth of "manliness".

I'd call it over compensating due to an inferiority complex.

[Ellestar]

The thing is though, Russia since the revolution has done some incredibly ****ed up things, and although the west have too, that doesn't excuse your actions. America and her allies have started numerous proxy (and a few direct) wars for national profit. Anyone who denies that doesn't know what they're talking about historically. Russia however held half of Europe in occupation for half a century. Is one worse than the other? Depends on your personal morality I suppose, but both are certainly hugely negative behaviour. Most of us in the west are genuinely willing to accept that the actions of our governments (which are always sold in propogandist terms to us, of freeing countries etc) are often negative once the truth is revealed. Look at how many people here now openly say the Iraq War was basically an illegal action. My question to you though is can you accept that things like the Soviet occupation of eastern Europe was also a bad thing that deserves to be critisized, or do you feel some nationalistic need to defend it despite knowing it was wrong?

That's an interesting question, but for starters we don't agree on what it really was. Why do you call it "occupation"? They were independent countries, even Poland that was previously part of a Russian Empire. While it's obvious that Moscow had an upper hand in politics, so is Washington now for EU - that's natural for a political and military leader of an alliance. That's just how world politics works, especially in a very dangerous situation such as a standoff between communists and their natural class warfare enemies, capitalists.
I'm actually more suprised that right now, when EU has no military threats, and all sides are supposedly "democratic", USA is managing to coerce EU countries in doing all these things that are obvious to be bad for EU. Shouldn't EU be kinda more free, or something?

Now to a second part. Regime change towards a better ideology (rather than just a coup, which is usually viewed as a univerally bad thing) also seems to be acceptable thing - after all, NATO does it all the time (or at least uses that excuse, even if it's not true), so if it's good enough for 2010s, it's not even an issue for 1940s. And let's not forget that communism, at least in theory, is morally superior to capitalism, just like democracy is morally superior to dictatorship. So if NATO feels free to use a questionable claim that it's good to overthrow dictatorships to install democracies, it's even more logical to accept a claim that it's a good thing to overthrow capitalism to install communism. Especially if USSR didn't even use coups or some other dubious ways to do it in Western Europe, that seem to be the norm for NATO. While it didn't work for the better in the end, certainly noone knew of it in 1940s, and it wasn't that bad either - i mean, ok, communism happened to be somewhat less efficient economically compared to what was achieved by the richest and most developed capitalist countries, and that's about it? Certainly not a world evil-level thing to fuss about now. We had the same thing back at home in Moscow, so it's not like we wished bad things for Western Europe by installing communism there - quite the opposite, we brought communism there because we thought it's a good thing. It's not like we made Western Europe into banana republics, like capitalists did with their "not colonies" (obviously bad thing), right? I really don't understand where the "evil" part of a claim is.

So, basically, it wasn't an occupation, and regime change to a technically more morally superior ideology was theoretically a good thing too. I don't see any "wrong" here at all.

Maybe you mean that communism was of a wrong kind, not the one it was expected to be? Or what? Well, i guess everyone agrees that it wasn't that good, but in practice world had only one try in 1917, and it didn't turned out perfect. But people really believed it's superior to capitalism, and it was so back then, at least. Sure, now technological advances (and an export of exploitation to poorer countries) brought quality of living to the level where common western people are living good enough even without communism, but it wasn't so when that communism thing started. So, unless your believe that people in the past should have taken into account what we know in the present, you gotta admit that communism was a good thing back then.

A surprisingly sexist viewpoint coming from a country whose women played such a huge part in WW2. Did you just shove them all back into the kitchen after they'd finished fighting and bleeding for you?

While that's true that our women were working and fighting while "Kinder, Küche, Kirche" was still popular in Europe, it just isn't an excuse that men can abandon their responsibilities. Watching that video from EU where some migrant hits a woman in the face for no reason, woman falls to the asphalt, and EU males (if they can be called that) just walk past it like nothing happened, is really disturbing to watch. Seriously, if it's considered a norm, there is something really wrong in EU.

[Bereta_Eder]

Communist based ideals actually made europe an affordable/dignified place and are all powerful still.
They will become more and more so as time goes by

[Ellestar]

By the way, there is a good illustration how life in USSR is percieved through anti-Soviet propaganda.

Young people of ex-USSR (and any Westerners, i guess, but even more so than our young people because they know ONLY anti-soviet propaganda, without any reliable information from their parents who actually experienced the thing) usually don't think that life in USSR was better than life after USSR. However, a majority of people who actualy experienced life in USSR, think that life in USSR was actually better. So that more or less proves that USSR wasn't as bad for it's people as your propaganda may tell you, and you should keep it in mind.

[Giancarlo]

By the way, there is a good illustration how life in USSR is percieved through anti-Soviet propaganda.

Young people of ex-USSR (and any Westerners, i guess, but even more so than our young people because they know ONLY anti-soviet propaganda, without any reliable information from their parents who actually experienced the thing) usually don't think that life in USSR was better than life after USSR. However, a majority of people who actualy experienced life in USSR, think that life in USSR was actually better. So that more or less proves that USSR wasn't as bad for it's people as your propaganda may tell you, and you should keep it in mind.

Older people were brainwashed by Soviet propaganda... so it doesn't surprise me.

[giblets]

Old people have always complained about the world changing and not staying the way it was when they were young