what happened to the großrossiya thread

[kentonio]

So called "free speech" in the West ^^ It's free only if you're saying official western propaganda.

That's interesting, because for instance I can say that my Prime Minister is a giant douche nozzle who has about as much business running a country as she does conducting nuclear physics, and that the entire government should be kicked out of office for being a reprehensible bunch of twats. I can stand outside parliament and shout that if I so please, we even have a special park for just that purpose. How do you think it would go if you did that outside the Kremlim regularly?

[BeBMan]

They should do it in their bedrooms. Gay parades are gay propaganda and should be banned.

I see, you're not exactly supporting beating up ppl for what they do in their bedrooms, just when they are open about it in the public

What else can be done if you refuse to stop destroying their countries? You reap what you sow.

Thanks for claryfying that you support terrorism when it fits to your political agenda.

And by the way, civilians in democratic countries can't claim to be innocent for political actions. You voted for these leaders, so you share a responsibility with them for destroying all these countries you destroyed. Only civilians in dictatorships have a right to claim innoncence - after all, they didn't choose the leadership they have.

Unsurprisingly voting in democratic elections is a crime in your book, because other than that, you've just thrown vague accusations around

Well, when you read a story that KGB (sorry, FSB) changes someone's urine samples, and West actually buys that propaganda... Sorry, we aren't that stupid.

"if it's not in Russia's interest, it must be untrue"

USA thinks so. If USA can, then i can hundred times over. After all, they don't just think, they murder millions and destroy entire countries, together with their NATO allies.

Please, tell us more what the US thinks. It's so enlightening.

So called "free speech" in the West ^^ It's free only if you're saying official western propaganda.

You know jack**** about the concept of free speech. You can moan about the west, the US, whatever all day here, but nobody has to buy it, esp. since you regularly fail to provide any serious backups for your mostly ridiculous claims. What you mean is that you want to post bull**** without anyone else calling it bull****. Sorry, free speech does not mean that anybody has to find your posts reasonable.

Friendly hint: free speech is supposed to protect you from government repression, not from other ppl having different opinions and expressing them (thereby executing *their* right to freedom of speech just like you do).

[Thoth]

So called "free speech" in the West ^^ It's free only if you're saying official western propaganda.

4.5/10

[Dauphin]

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[Ellestar]

Thanks for claryfying that you support terrorism when it fits to your political agenda.

Nah, i don't support terrorism. However, i think the right for self-defence outweights other things. So if you invade or destroy someone's country, they have a right respond to it. If citizens of said country can't bomb you back with military planes, like you did to them, because they don't have any, well, they bomb you without military planes. Bombing without the use of military planes is EXACTLY as fair as bombing with the use of military planes. You can't claim that one kind of bombing is morally superior to the other, especially if other people have no choice in the way they can bomb you back in return.

And hopefully next time you'll think and stop destroying other countries.

Friendly hint: free speech is supposed to protect you from government repression, not from other ppl having different opinions and expressing them (thereby executing *their* right to freedom of speech just like you do).

By calling someone who has a different opinion a paid troll? I think it denies me my right for freedom of speech.

[Proteus_MST]

Nah, i don't support terrorism. However, i think the right for self-defence outweights other things. So if you invade or destroy someone's country, they have a right respond to it. If citizens of said country can't bomb you back with military planes, like you did to them, because they don't have any, well, they bomb you without military planes. Bombing without the use of military planes is EXACTLY as fair as bombing with the use of military planes. You can't claim that one kind of bombing is morally superior to the other, especially if other people have no choice in the way they can bomb you back in return.

And hopefully next time you'll think and stop destroying other countries.

Ah, so, flying planes into the WTC was a justified measure in the fight of the muslim world for freedom against western oppression?

What about the taking of Hostages in the Dubrovka Theatre in Moscow, 2002? Was it a justified measure in tthe fight of Chechnya against russian oppression?

By calling someone who has a different opinion a paid troll? I think it denies me my right for freedom of speech.

Nope ... your right is not denied, as you can post things without having to fear getting beaten, persecuted or being censored (well, forums admins may lock you out if you post grave insults ... but that would totally be house rules, no more, no less).
Others just execute their own freedom of speech by calling you a paid troll

[BeBMan]

Nah, i don't support terrorism.

Of course you do, that's the essence of your post(s), dancing around it with bull**** claims about destroying countries doesn't change it. How many countries were destroyed by the ppl killed in in the Bataclan last Nov.?

[Dinner]

Nah, i don't support terrorism. However, i think the right for self-defence outweights other things. So if you invade or destroy someone's country, they have a right respond to it. If citizens of said country can't bomb you back with military planes, like you did to them, because they don't have any, well, they bomb you without military planes. Bombing without the use of military planes is EXACTLY as fair as bombing with the use of military planes. You can't claim that one kind of bombing is morally superior to the other, especially if other people have no choice in the way they can bomb you back in return.

And hopefully next time you'll think and stop destroying other countries.


By calling someone who has a different opinion a paid troll? I think it denies me my right for freedom of speech.

This is ironic given that Russia has invaded the Ukraine and is currently destroying much of it. Maybe Ukrainian freedom fighters should start a terrorist campaign against Russia then we can see if you change your tune.

[Ellestar]

Ah, so, flying planes into the WTC was a justified measure in the fight of the muslim world for freedom against western oppression?

Let me check it... So, it's done by Al-Quaeda. Al-Quaeda was created by Osama Bin Laden, CIA agent in Operation Cyclone, right? And Al-Quaeda main donator was Saudi Arabia, NATO ally. Absolute majority of terrorists were from Saudi Arabia (none from Iraq, the one you attacked "in responce", btw). So, it's your internal business between NATO and your NATO allies. I think it's not my job to comment about your internal NATO business. I think i should ask you, and you should ask your government, what the hell is going on if your own CIA agent and organization financed by you and your closest allies blows up your buildings?

What about the taking of Hostages in the Dubrovka Theatre in Moscow, 2002? Was it a justified measure in tthe fight of Chechnya against russian oppression?

It were the russians who were oppressed (actually, even enslaved) in Chechnya, ethnic cleansing, raids on neighbours, war between warlords in Chechnya. While technically it was a responce to what we did, they started feudal era bull**** on their own territory several years before we tried to do something about it.

Nope ... your right is not denied, as you can post things without having to fear getting beaten, persecuted or being censored (well, forums admins may lock you out if you post grave insults ... but that would totally be house rules, no more, no less).
Others just execute their own freedom of speech by calling you a paid troll

Yeah, i post one post, the likes of you post several posts that i'm a paid troll. First, it's you who are trolling, not me, and second, effectively it's censoring (by spamming the thread and making it unreadable).

[Ellestar]

This is ironic given that Russia has invaded the Ukraine and is currently destroying much of it. Maybe Ukrainian freedom fighters should start a terrorist campaign against Russia then we can see if you change your tune.

We have like 3+ million "Ukrainians" on our territory, and that's only the recent ones. If we're the aggressors, then why they run to us for safety? Hmm? And why they don't start terrorist campaign?

Maybe because they're not as brainwashed as the likes of you and they understand what really happened and who is responsible for what?

P.S. By the way, maybe that's exactly what a USA plan was. After all, it worked with Germany and France and now these countries are being blown up by migrants. But USA propaganda was so "efficient" that they made themselves believe that there are some magical "ukrainians". Apparently, they're russians after all. There were zero people of "ukrainian" nationality 150 years before, and hopefully there will be zero of them 50 years later, after you'll destroy their country and they'll remember once again that their ancestors lived in Kievan RUS, capital of Rus, not "Kievan Ukraine" or some other bull****.

[rah]

We have like 3+ million "Ukrainians" on our territory, and that's only the recent ones. If we're the aggressors, then why they run to us for safety? Hmm? And why they don't start terrorist campaign?

Maybe because you're not attacking your own territory so it's safer for them to be where you're not destroying things.

[Giancarlo]

I can't believe I missed this gem of a thread. Gay people get murdered in Russia simply for being gay. Russia is a mess. It is a cesspool. Ellestar is justifying what his country does? You know the saying "the results speak for themselves"? Putin had failed miserably in investing in his country and only pursued grandiose military plans for a military that doesn't even have enough men fit enough to serve.

So instead of attacking LGBT people, why not deal with the disastrous economy, rapidly crumbling infrastructure and grossly inadequate health care system? The average Russian male only lives to 58. That just about says it all.

A collapsing economy, brain drain and a major demographic crisis. That is what Russia is all about right now.

And freedom of speech... tell that to all the reporters mysteriously dying in Russia. Rather murdered because they spoke out against your dictator.

[Ellestar]

Maybe because you're not attacking your own territory so it's safer for them to be where you're not destroying things.

"Anti-terroristic operation" was started by Ukraine. So, yeah, it's safer in Russia because it's the Ukraine that attacks it's own territory, not Russia.

Gay people get murdered in Russia simply for being gay.

Black people get murdered by Police in USA simply for being black. In many orders of magnitude bigger numbers, too.

The average Russian male only lives to 58.

When "pro-western" "liberal" traitor Yeltsin was killing our people. Now it's 65.

[Giancarlo]

Black people get murdered by Police in USA simply for being black. In many orders of magnitude bigger numbers, too.

Nice attempt at a deflection. In this country there is scrutiny, protests and legal action. In Russia, no such action is taken. In Russia the crime rates are vastly higher than America. And your cops vastly more abusive.

When "pro-western" "liberal" traitor Yeltsin was killing our people. Now it's 65.

Fantasy.

No. Its probably now even 55. Not 65.

[Giancarlo]

With all of its problems, I would rather live in the US. It isn't perfect and we have an orange idiot running around, but we have a vastly better quality of life than Russia. And Russian cops make even the worst US local police departments look like angels.