what happened to the großrossiya thread

[Bereta_Eder]

although some are just funny

paok for you i've gone crazy
I dont care about bankrupcy
to my balls merkel and sarkozi
I came to see you in italy
and when we'll be bankrupt in a few years
and when again we'll pay in drachmas
we'll still be going to see you in the snow
as long as you exist
excursions will exist

[Proteus_MST]

Confused was ironic.

They are about 500 years behind. They think that capitalism and racism go hand in hand. (we are good capitalists, now we must be good racists. Also the spear edge in the uprising was nazis, so maybe it's keeping up with tradition. Although, it's true that in football fans you'll find the lowlest of the low). Probably most of the far right wing are also football hooligans.

My impressionw as rather, that during Maidan it was mainly ordinary people who took part (although Neonazis also were part of it) ...
and that the gain of influence of the Nazis in the Ukrainian state (post Yanukovich) can largely be attributed to the annexation of Crimea and the uprising in eastern ukraine (and that it would have become different if the annexation and uprising hadn´t happened)

[Bereta_Eder]

From what I understand when the uprising started there were regular people as well as nazis.
But when the shots started flying the regular people left and only the nazis stayed.
That helped give the nazis a sort of "liberator" halo.
Although, if national elections are to be taken seriously, indeed they are not the majority.

[Dinner]

Actually after the government started shooting protesters regular people who were on the fence started showing up and the protests became much larger.

[Bereta_Eder]

that's actually contrary to human nature so it didn't happen.

Also wasn't it mccain that went and shook hands with soboda (what's the name of the far right wing?)
typical. as long as you're against russia we don't care if you wear a turban or you goosestep

[Dinner]

No, it is not. People tend to get more active when they are outraged. If it was contrary to human nature we wouldn't have had so many wars in human history.

[Proteus_MST]

No, it is not. People tend to get more active when they are outraged....

Especially if they think that this time they actually have a chance to change things and change the situation (in their country) for the better.


That´s why in the GDR the whole protests startet small ... but they grew bigger as more people realized that this time they might actually succeed in toppling the Honecker Regime and installing a democracy ... and because of this decided to leave their homes and also take part in the protests

[Bereta_Eder]

Family men when confronted with live ammunition will leave.
Only the young brave and fearlessly stupid will remain, which, in the case of Ukraine, was predominandly nazis (fed twix by the US embassy no less)

[Bereta_Eder]

That´s why in the GDR the whole protests startet small ... but they grew bigger as more people realized that this time they might actually succeed in toppling the Honecker Regime and installing a democracy ... and because of this decided to leave their homes and also take part in the protests

If it was like countries like Slovakia then they didn't face any danger whatsoever. Because uprisings like that kept happening in the past but Moscow quelled them. That time, there was nothing on the streets. That's why more and more people came out.

[Dinner]

Family men when confronted with live ammunition will leave.
Only the young brave and fearlessly stupid will remain, which, in the case of Ukraine, was predominandly nazis (fed twix by the US embassy no less)

So claims every tyrant who has ever been overthrown. The reality is their attempts at brutality tends to cause officers and enlisted to question their orders and you have a break down in command and control as likely as not.

[Bereta_Eder]

So claims reality.
Also if I'm not mistaken the US trained nazis were also firing shots at policemen with sniper rifles.

The only question is: why twix?

[Proteus_MST]

If it was like countries like Slovakia then they didn't face any danger whatsoever. Because uprisings like that kept happening in the past but Moscow quelled them. That time, there was nothing on the streets. That's why more and more people came out.

Well, in the GDR the regime usually didn´t hesitate to have his citizens shot or incarcerated under bad conditions.
There was a standing shooting order for the GDR border guard, if any GDR citizen illegally tries to cross the border to germany (after all the wall wasn´t built to keep the "evil westerns" out, but to keep their own citizens in the country
(a shooting order that was enforced and let to the loss of life of lots of GDR citizens)
The GDR also had a very effective system of surveillance on their own citzens ... with lots of snitches among the citizens, so you wouldn´t be sure if someone you talked to wouldn´t tell everything you said immedfiately to some people at the StaSi (State Security) ... and with anyone being suspected of acting against the state usually facing severe repressions ... often culminating in indeterminate incarceration in one of the special StaSi prisons.

So, while no shot fell during the protests, the danger was always there ... also the danger for all people taking part in the protests, that some StaSi agent identified them and would label them as western collaborators ... thereby paving the way to a life long of repressions for themselves and their whole family ... and maybe also resulting in incarceration in StaSi prisons

[Bereta_Eder]

Well, in the GDR the regime usually didn´t hesitate to have his citizens shot or incarcerated under bad conditions.
There was a standing shooting order for the GDR border guard, if any GDR citizen illegally tries to cross the border to germany (after all the wall wasn´t built to keep the "evil westerns" out, but to keep their own citizens in the country
(a shooting order that was enforced and let to the loss of life of lots of GDR citizens)
The GDR also had a very effective system of surveillance on their own citzens ... with lots of snitches among the citizens, so you wouldn´t be sure if someone you talked to wouldn´t tell everything you said immedfiately to some people at the StaSi (State Security) ... and with anyone being suspected of acting against the state usually facing repressions severe repressions ... often culminating in indeterminate incarceration in one of the special StaSi prisons.

So, while no shot fell during the protests, the danger was always there ... also the danger for all people taking part in the protests, that some StaSi agent identified them and would label them as western collaborators ... thereby paving the way to a life long of repressions for themselves and their whole family ... and maybe also resulting in incarceration in StaSi prisons

Doesn't really matter because the circumstances were obviously different.

In the past there would be warning shots, tanks and police. So you knew the system was in full power.
When noone came to greet you, you knew it was crumbling.

Of course that has nothing to do with Ukraine. There, people wanted to be in RUssia, and their wish was granted due to geopolitical realities. Same like Albanians in Kosovo.

[Proteus_MST]

Doesn't really matter because the circumstances were obviously different.

In the past there would be warning shots, tanks and police. So you knew the system was in full power.
When noone came to greet you, you knew it was crumbling.

Of course that has nothing to do with Ukraine. There, people wanted to be in RUssia, and their wish was granted due to geopolitical realities. Same like Albanians in Kosovo.

Well, if you want an example of more violent circumstances for revolutions/protests maybe I should point you to rhe romanian revolution (in the same year as the GDR protest):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_Revolution

There the protesting workers were shot upon ... nevertheless they continued to protest the regime ... and succeeded in finally overthrowing Ceausescu ... and I don´t think that there can be any doubt that these people were just ordinary citizens ... and no Neonazis or CIA agents

[Bereta_Eder]

"Dissident members of the Romanian Communist Party"

Well of course they managed to overthrow the dictator

And it's true. Causescu's regime brutality was on par with the US maintened ones.
Pretty much how Ukraine is today one could say (actually it's a bit better, if economy doesn't enter the equation). (minus the missing parts of course)