what happened to the großrossiya thread

[Bereta_Eder]

BTW bloomberg is equivalant to baghdat bob.
Not because it has a public iron hand directing it but because its ideological fixations make it more untrustworthy and off the mark than a catholic priest talking about sex

[Dinner]

Now that claim is just retarded, Paiktis. It is a very well respected publication which follows all standard western journalism practices so it is nothing like Baghdad Bob. Russian state controlled media is nothing more than a state run propaganda outlets though which routinely lie ("Russia is bombing ISIS" when 95% of their strikes were on the moderate opposition not ISIS).

[Dinner]

The problem with dumb bombs, which Russia is almost exclusively using in Syria, is that the majority of them go off target. This is why the majority of the Russia bombing raids have hit civilians and not their intended targets.

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/10/13/3711246/russia-hospital-strikes/

[rah]

make it more untrustworthy and off the mark than a catholic priest talking about sex

You do realize that most have sex before becoming priests?

[giblets]

Do they stop after becoming priests?

[rah]

Except for the one handed kind, I would expect that most do.
But fortunately I have no first hand experience with that.

[giblets]

Priests Who Hired Me for Sex
A pastor is accused of stealing $1 million from his church to hire male escorts. Mike Jones, the escort who outed Ted Haggard, on what really happens when priests visit gay prostitutes.

As a former gay male escort and the man who exposed the hypocrisy of Pastor Ted Haggard, I’m probably less stunned than most about the sensational case of the allegedly corrupt priest, Father Kevin J. Gray.

Last week, Father Gray was brought up on charges that he embezzled $1.3 million from the Sacred Heart Church in Waterbury, Connecticut. He blew the money on ritzy hotels, designer clothes, and the luxury item that caught everyone’s attention: male prostitutes. Gray, 64, allegedly lavished gifts on the young men, using the church’s money to furnish them with credit cards, apartments, and, in one case, a Harvard education.

More than once I was paid for my services with a handful of crinkled ones and fives.

Why am I not shocked? During the 1990s, when I worked as an escort in Denver, Colorado, I estimate at least 15 percent of my clientele were clergy or connected with the church in some way. There were one-timers and there were guys who came back again and again and again, and they were all the same: positively giddy when the encounter began, unable to look you in the eye as they left. The excitement that initially animated them was wholly overshadowed by the despondency and guilt that would overcome them as soon as it was over.

I can’t imagine the guilt they were feeling. Not only were they having sex with another man—a sin punishable by God, in their minds—but I believe many of them were doing exactly what Father Gray did: stealing from their own churches. Maybe not a million bucks, maybe not even so much that anyone would notice. But more than once I was paid for my services with a handful of crinkled ones and fives. I would think to myself, how could they take from their own church’s collection plate? The answer is simple and sad: addicts will do whatever they need to do to support their habit.

I recall one church leader from Nebraska who prayed after an encounter with me, then sent me a religious book in the mail afterward. Another (who became a regular) always talked about the house he shared with a bunch of "buddies." And then there was the client who, after hiring me for sex, I was startled to see standing at the altar one day, presiding over the Catholic wedding of a friend of mine. It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad. I felt for my married and religious clients. They were truly unhappy and confused. Some would confess and pour out their hearts with me. Many would cry.

Like Haggard, most of these men don’t use their real names with the escorts they hire, and I’m sure they feel that part of what they’re paying for is anonymity. And for the most part, they are correct – there is an unwritten understanding that all encounters are confidential. I think back to all the clergy, politicians, sports personalities, and actors whose careers I could have ruined, but that was not me and not what I was in the business of doing.

What I also discovered is that there are usually plenty of clues to be found when someone is doing something on the sly, whether it’s sleeping with male escorts or stealing from their church’s coffers. But people don’t want to know that about their religious leaders. Many want to turn a blind eye, even when the truth is staring them right in the face. When I attended Haggard's New Life Church after the scandal broke, I was amazed to see all the explicitly homoerotic statues and paintings—sculptures of nude, muscular men all over the place. I also noticed that all the people on stage where Ted would preach were young men—not a female in sight. I was later told that Ted picked out all the art work and the final decision as to who was on stage lay with him.

Sometimes my clients' attempts to hide in the closet were almost comically inept. For instance, most of them made their appointments with me from a pay phone or numbers that were blocked. But when you're horny and in a hurry, sometimes you make mistakes, as happened to one of my clients the day that he called me from his office and "Church of Christ" were the words that appeared on my caller I.D.

And when they are finally caught, they always ask for forgiveness. Because the endless supply of forgiveness they feel entitled to as men of the church is why they feel at liberty to do what they do in the first place. After the whole sorry affair was over and done with, Ted Haggard talked about how glad he was that I exposed him so he could begin to heal his life. (Personally, I think was just sorry he got caught.) And now that he’s back at the altar, with a brand new, healing-focused church called St. James, Haggard can revel in the repentant-fueled second act that he, as a member of the clergy, clearly feels entitled to.

Time will tell if Kevin Gray will take the same path as Haggard did. When you consider yourself a “victim” of the temptation of homosexuality, it's easy to shed a few tears, confess your sins, and feel confident that all will be forgiven.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/07/17/why-priests-hire-male-prostitutes-by-mike-jones.html

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Not to spoil the party here, but hey 21st century and all that...

Dynamo Kiev have revealed they will consider segregating black and white fans in their stadium following an attack on four black men during the Ukrainians' Champions League match with Chelsea last week.

In a move which is likely to spark a fresh backlash against the club, Volodimir Spilchenko, the stadium director, said a separate section for black fans was an idea that the club would explore – though this has since been disputed by a statement posted on the stadium's Facebook page.

Responding to a journalist who made the suggestion of segregation, Spilchenko reportedly said: "We'll probably listen to your offer.

"We are trying, maybe, to make a special sector, in order to avoid the manifestation of racism."

[Sava]

the great nazi red army can barely march a few dozen miles from its own borders lol

[rah]

"We are trying, maybe, to make a special sector, in order to avoid the manifestation of racism."

How could anyone say this with a straight face?

[Proteus_MST]

Wasn´t a similar justification used in the USA (before the 60s) for their racial segregation policy (under the motto "segregated but equal") ... i.e. that they do it "just" to prevent conflicts between blacks and whites?

[rah]

Yeah, BEFORE THE 60's. Back when most whites thought darkies was an acceptable term.

[Bereta_Eder]

How could anyone say this with a straight face?

They are confused?

[rah]

That's beyond confused. That's just clueless.

[Bereta_Eder]

Confused was ironic.

They are about 500 years behind. They think that capitalism and racism go hand in hand. (we are good capitalists, now we must be good racists. Also the spear edge in the uprising was nazis, so maybe it's keeping up with tradition. Although, it's true that in football fans you'll find the lowlest of the low). Probably most of the far right wing are also football hooligans.