what happened to the großrossiya thread

[Bereta_Eder]

Complementary skirt

[Ellestar]

Wow, someone in Germany can actually say some truth about situation in middle east. Too bad that only dishonest people make it into politicians.

[giblets]

I'm confused. In what world exactly did "the rest of the world" do "most of the work" of defeating the Nazis?

The Soviets would have had more problems if the Japanese hadn't been tied up in China and the Pacific

[Dinner]

I am talking about defeating the Axis as a whole. Not just the Nazis.

[Geronimo]

The Soviets would have had more problems if the Japanese hadn't been tied up in China and the Pacific

No question the Nazi invasion of USSR developed into such a dire situation that had USSR been under just a bit more pressure or had a bit less assistance it would become easy to imagine scenarios where the USSR might have been overrun by the fascists. This does not mean the USSR did not inflict most of the casualties and most of the strategic losses that the Nazis took in ww2. The USSR did most of the work of defeating the Nazis even if, perhaps, it did not quite do most of the work of winning ww2 overall. It's hard to find a measure of overall progress in the Nazi defeat where the soviets do not deserve most of the credit.

[Bereta_Eder]

It was a collective effort and everyone fought valiantly

although I have a question: how the hell the germans were allowed to become so powerful?

[Geronimo]

I am talking about defeating the Axis as a whole. Not just the Nazis.

You probably can get away with arguing that perhaps the soviets did not do most of the work of defeating the entire axis by various measures. However, the only post serb made that you might appear to be responding to does not seem to be speaking of the axis of a whole but rather the Wehrmacht, which certainly cannot somehow be construed to encompass even the Italians, let alone the Japanese.

In your wet dreams - perhaps. I can feel your butthurt, dude. But the truth is - the Wehrmacht was on a brink of collapse in January 1942 - after the Soviet counter-offensive at Moscow - long before the Western aid appeared in quantities (not to mention that whole Lend-Lease was about just 5% of Soviet war effort and not to mention that it wasn't a humanitarian aid - we have paid for it with gold and the last Lend-Lease debts the Soviet Union have repaid only in 1970's if I remember correctly).

For the record, the Wehrmacht was in critical danger of collapse in January 1942. The 1941 soviet winter counteroffensive was devastating to the Wehrmacht and had the severe cold weather not abated in time, it might well have collapsed.

[Geronimo]

It was a collective effort and everyone fought valiantly

although I have a question: how the hell the germans were allowed to become so powerful?

Again, Serb never claimed that only the Soviets fought well or valiantly. He only claimed that by 1942 the Wehrmacht was on the brink of collapse. A reasonable position.

The Germans were allowed to become so powerful, because they had a proficient professional military and a strong economy to back it up and nobody had the will to oppose them militarily until it was almost too late and when they finally did move to stop the Germans militarily, they screwed up tactically and strategically and the Soviets waited until the Western front had collapsed (and they in turn were invaded) to lift a finger to stop Hitler.

That, in a nutshell, is how the Germans were allowed to become so powerful.

[Bereta_Eder]

Well ok.
I wasn't saying that serb even insinuated that. Even if a single american fought, I'm sure serb would honor him.

[Bereta_Eder]

Although,
how did the germans had a strong economy?
I thought that the versailles treaty was devasting to them and that's why hitler came to power.

[giblets]

Although,
how did the germans had a strong economy?
I thought that the versailles treaty was devasting to them and that's why hitler came to power.

I guess refusing to pay your debts can help the economy

[Bereta_Eder]

Interesting

[Geronimo]

Although,
how did the germans had a strong economy?
I thought that the versailles treaty was devasting to them and that's why hitler came to power.

Good economic fundamentals apparently. It happened again after their defeat, ditto for the Japanese. I think the question of why a particular economy performs so well always invites a great deal of speculation but the economic theories used to construct such explanations have such a lousy track record at predicting future results that I don't place much faith in them. I regard the field of macro-economics as a very frustrating set of problems to solve and difficult systems to adequately model.

[Geronimo]

I guess refusing to pay your debts can help the economy

and apparently hurt your economy depending on the economic theories you choose to invoke or anecdotes to cite.

[Bereta_Eder]

Good economic fundamentals apparently. It happened again after their defeat, ditto for the Japanese. I think the question of why a particular economy performs so well always invites a great deal of speculation but the economic theories used to construct such explanations have such a lousy track record at predicting future results that I don't place much faith in them. I regard the field of macro-economics as a very frustrating set of problems to solve and difficult systems to adequately model.

Oh I don't think that's such a big mystery.
The anwer is simple: discipline.

I say jump you say how high?
I say kill the jew/chinese you say yes
etc etc

Discipline is what makes economies flourish and what creates monsters
(btw this extrapolates to nearly everyone)