what happened to the großrossiya thread

[rah]

It does seem that all the symptoms are there.

[Serb]

If you think that all American Media sing in unison, then there is no possibility of any real discussion.

WRT to foreign policy, ALL Western media has the same story - they always have same villain and same victim. They are all like Soviet Pravda - turn the truth 180 degrees.
And as I've said - don't care how they cut they throats to each other when it comes to whom of their bosses will grab the power domestically.

But I do love that you describe the anti-Russian local ones as ******s and owned by the Western masters. No Bias there at all.

Sure! Cause they are ******s and got their bills mostly from abroad, though some of them are hopeless domestic imbeciles whose only life motto is "Die, Russia, die!!!".
Can anyone in a straight mind can imagine someone on American or German or French TV who would say that American/German/British/French PEOPLE is a "genetic garbage"? Say that OPENLY to the dozens of millions of viewers and still exists in the American/German/British/French media space after such words? In Russia such kind of insults are more than possible. JSTFU, trolls and think for once what would have happened in USA to the person who would have dared to call all American people a "genetic garbage"? Or a Jewish people for example?
They would have became an outcast at once.
In Russia we say "they are just pathetic idiots" (Убогие, блять, хули с них взять?) and those ******s keep spreading their sh!t from all major channels year after year for decades. And we tolerate the f*ckers!

[Serb]

Serb often reminds me of a dark time here in germany,
where a certain percentage of the german population got deceived by incessant propaganda
and got driven into a war and a superiority complex.

(and just to be on the secure side I should add that no, I don´t suggest that russians are driven into gassing people or commiting other atrocities ... I am just pointing at the fact that propaganda has the potential to do very bad things to the minds of civilized people)

And you, sir, reminds me the best of your "bucket heads" in times of Hitler - "don't wanna hear, don't wanna see, don't wanna listen, 'cause my "free" Western media told me that the other opinion is just propaganda!

You are blind and brainless zombies. All of you.

Orwell was a genius, indeed, who brilliantly predicted (extrapolated, actually) the future of the Western civilization (the idiots who think he wrote "1984" about Soviet totalitarianism are just idiots - he was writing about the future of British society (read - Western) and he was correct 100%).

For you - lie is true, true is lie.

[Serb]

[Bereta_Eder]

Serb often reminds me of a dark time here in germany,
where a certain percentage of the german population got deceived by incessant propaganda
and got driven into a war and a superiority complex.

(and just to be on the secure side I should add that no, I don´t suggest that russians are driven into gassing people or commiting other atrocities ... I am just pointing at the fact that propaganda has the potential to do very bad things to the minds of civilized people)

I just see it as neoliberalism going amok.

When USSR crumbled all the vultures swept in and started devouring, the result is logical.
I also don't see the west devoided of problems or free of propaganda, the complete opposite.

Russian people ARE living better with putin than with the neoliberal kleptokrats.
He got them out of the crisis raised their living standard (and yes, became... uncooperative. None in the west would care if he was gassing his own people btw, which was, figourateively what the kleptokrats were doing)

[Serb]

It does seem that all the symptoms are there.

Just open your f*cking blind eyes for a second and see what you've done to the World, you silent bastards. Everything what your government has done to the World all that millions of deaths and destroyed countries turned into bloody hell was done THANKS TO YOUR SILENT APPROVAL.


Because you don't want to know the truth. You don't want to take YOUR OWN responsibility for a murder, which let's you have another car in your garage.

That's why you are so blind. It's pure psychology. But that doesn't make you a non-murderer.

[Bereta_Eder]

of course the little show here with the pristine US and the demonic Russia is entertaining beyond belief
(it's also a repetition of propaganda of similar matters in the past. "discover (or fabricate or even manifacture a new enemy, demonize him, get the contracts flowing for the military companies. often of course, this is a symbiotic relationship)

[onodera]

Serb, you do realize that Ekho Moskvy is a radio station, not a TV station, that it is ultimately owned by the government and functions as a "nature reserve" to "prove" we have independent media, don't you?

[rah]

ALL Western media has the same story -

Do you even know how silly that sounds? Do you think this based on your extensive experience listening to Western Media?
How many different stations have you listened too? If you spent 30 minutes listening to each station, you would be dead well before you had heard them all.
And 30 minutes would be too small of sample to make a judgement call. Obviously you don't need 30 minutes since you have already made up your mind.

I will concede that I am no expert about all the different Russian media stations. I can only read the ones that are translated to english.

[Serb]

Russian people ARE living better with putin than with the neoliberal kleptokrats.
He got them out of the crisis raised their living standard (and yes, became... uncooperative. None in the west would care if he was gassing his own people btw, which was, figourateively what the kleptokrats were doing)

Exactly, bro!

Putin is not perfect. He has his own drawbacks. And I'm not his fanboy, 'cause I'm a communist and he is not (he is actually more like the opposite), but still - I give him HUGE merit for his work, thought he has his own vision of how my country should going (which is not exactly the same as mine). He had 2-7 in his hand when he came to power (a disaster instead of a country, the country his rivals have buried long time ago), but after the flop he forces to fold his hand a guy with AK. That was a metaphor of course. What I mean is that he is a greatest leader among modern politicians. He beats them bare hands. And from historical perspective - one of the greatest for sure. Only few could successfully fought with so little reserves so many threats, both internal and external. He has deserved my respect for that for sure. And what is more importantly - he has deserved his place in history as a great leader and strategist.

[rah]

I do love the belief that no one ever protests anything in the US.
Heck one of Hillary's problems is that she voted for the Iraq invasion and people view that as a negative.
Do a google search for negative opinions on US policy decisions and you're get millions of hits with a good percentage of them being Americans.

We're free to disagree and voice our opinions about them. It's mind numbing that a regular to this site would think otherwise considering all the policies that are discussed.

And even worse to group the west together. Heck look at the divide just at this site alone.

The only possible explanation is blatant nationalism. And we know where that leads to.

[Serb]

Do you even know how silly that sounds? Do you think this based on your extensive experience listening to Western Media?
How many different stations have you listened too? If you spent 30 minutes listening to each station, you would be dead well before you had heard them all.
And 30 minutes would be too small of sample to make a judgement call. Obviously you don't need 30 minutes since you have already made up your mind.

I will concede that I am no expert about all the different Russian media stations. I can only read the ones that are translated to english.

Oh, forgive me. I HAVE MEANT THE MAINSTREAM WESTERN MEDIA - WHICH MAKE THE PUBLIC OPINION, not the small ones (who cares about those "cuckoos", right?)

[rah]

You used your cuckoos to claim variety.

[Serb]

I do love the belief that no one ever protests anything in the US.
Heck one of Hillary's problems is that she voted for the Iraq invasion and people view that as a negative.
Do a google search for negative opinions on US policy decisions and you're get millions of hits with a good percentage of them being Americans.

We're free to disagree and voice our opinions about them. It's mind numbing that a regular to this site would think otherwise considering all the policies that are discussed.

And even worse to group the west together. Heck look at the divide just at this site alone.

LOL!!!
Did I ever say that all American are all alike?
Of course some of you who still have brains are protesting!!!
But, the problem is that despite their protests, the majority of the Western society doesn't even hear them! Regardless of your debates you are always do what you media tells you to do, THE ABSOLUTE MAJORITY OF YOU!!!
And when it figures out that your media WAS LYING TO YOU - you say - "Well, sh!t happens, sorry for that one million of Iraqis civilians murdered by us under a false pretext, but they have a new cool story about Libya/Ukraine/Syria on CNN right now, let's check it out, they can't lie us again, right?"

You are just a bunch of idiots who never learn, never use your brains, never see and never want to hear the truth.
You have a simple way - "lie is truth, if it comes from Western media and truth is always a propaganda of the enemy".

The only possible explanation is blatant nationalism. And we know where that leads to.

An American is telling me something about blatant nationalism?


A citizen of the "exceptional" country?

[Serb]

You used your cuckoos to claim variety.

In Russian "cuckoo" doesn't have any negative meaning. It's just a bird. That's all. English is another case.