what happened to the großrossiya thread

[Serb]

Let me keep spamming:

[Serb]

But i said "nothing like this". That was a picture from an Almaz-Antey test of a real warhead. Well, i guess i could have said better.


That's correct, but in the report they say a total number of each type of fragment in 9N314M warhead is something like 4000, 1825 and 1825. It's not one or two of them, it's a lot of them. Yet, no holes like that are seen in the available pictures. Even if only 800 to 1200 fragments hit the plane (as they said, according to simulation), that's 190 to 280 bow tie fragments.

Also, there was no expertise for a found fragments with a bow tie shape. Isn't it really easy? Size and material is easy to check. If it's one of the main proofs which type of missile was used, it makes sense to prioritize such test.


It's aluminium in both cases, aluminium in test and aluminium cockpit. Well, i guess aluminium is also somewhat different, but at least some holes should look similiar.

Shear damage looks different from a penetration damage - for example, look at the picture of a right side of a cockpit, it's completely different from a left side. Speed of the missile and a plane changes relative trajectory of fragments (it's accounted for in simulations by all parties involved, they specifically mentioned it), but it doesn't change the shape of fragments themselves.

Ah, forget it! The morons have lost any ability for logical thinking. They can't even ask themselves a simple question: why Russia wasn't allowed to participate in the so-called investigation. It's like a trail without an advocate.
But, they are fine with that. As well as with the fact that their so-called investigation took time beyond all possible limits, as well as with the fact that it was their main suspect (DNR forces) who have provided the main evidence - black boxes to the investigation (have you ever seen a single murder who gives the main evidence against himself to the cops?), as well as with the fact that Ukrainian forces were shelling the crush site for days in attempt to cover-up the traces of their crime, as well as with the fat that Ukraine declined to provide records of their air dispatchers talks of that day, etc, etc, etc,.

All they know is to repeat the same BS their media is keep telling them, instead of just use their own brain for once.

[onodera]

Ты, серьезно, так думаешь?

А, ты, дружок, ваще-то русский в самом широком смысле этого слова?
А, то сдается мне, что с такими шуточками, ни хуя, дружок, ты ни разу не русский. У тебя дедушка Вермахту не подмахивал часом, мразота либеральная?
А, если ты русский, то как, блять, в твоей, подчеркиваю, в твоей пустой башке, могла сложится эта унылая "типа острота".
Только конченный ублюдок может острить подобным образом на могилах русских солдат.
Если ты враг, то так и скажи. А, если просто долбоёб, который неудачно пошутил, то тоже не стесняйся.
Хотя, я думаю, что ты - враг. И ни хуя ни разу не русский. Так, униженное гавно, вопящее о своей русскости, в то время как русский народ столетями все это псевдо-русское гавно от себя отторгал как организм отторгает блевотину с перепоя.
Пиздуй на свой пароход, дорогой ты мой дружок. У тебя нет ничего святого, что делает русского русским. НИ-ЧЕ-ГО. Ферштейн?

One of my great grandparents was a decorated Red Army captain who served throughout the whole war. Another was wounded and worked as a truck driver the rest of the war. His older brother fought in *both* world wars. And you know what? It would've been better had there been no world war at all. And everyone in Europe is to blame for letting it become a world war. Germany, England, France, USSR, Poland as well.

I didn't touch your precious statue, though it *is* just a piece of bronze. I said that *you* had as much brains inside your head as that statue for basing your opinion about Alexievich's writing upon your perception of the political views of those praising it instead of actually reading it.

I don't give a **** about your personal criteria of Russianness, and I reserve my right to hold sacred whatever I want, or nothing at all.

[Serb]

Ладно, проехали. Будем считать, что зачет. Ведь можешь же когда психанешь

[Serb]

Ну, типа, извини, что ли? Перебрал вчерась. С дня рождения в хохлому вообще пришел. Юбилей у дядьки был. А, потом еще пивком полирнулся. Короче пипец: "прет, бывает"

[PLATO]

Is there a crisis, idiot?

Most reputable economist would read the signs that Russia has some deep systemic problems. Crisis? Probably not. You guys have been wise to build some reserves. However, to deny that their is an economic problem in Russia would be to demonstrate idiocy.

I also wanted to say a word about how you keep harping on the U.S. National debt. It certainly is a concern, but it is not a major limiting factor on the economy. The U.S. is fully capable of carrying that size debt load. In addition you should look at where the majority of that debt is held and understand the things that could be done there if the debt ever were to become a problem.

Finally, I want to say something about how you believe we are at war and that we will never defeat you. Take a hard look at the numbers and capabilities of our respective conventional forces. If it is a conventional war, bloody though it would be for both sides, it would take a miracle for Russia not to be defeated. If it goes nuclear (which is you only chance at success), then both sides lose. Either way, you will be defeated if a shooting war starts (God Forbid!). Economically, it is easy to see that you cannot compete with the West...even with China helping (which they probably would not in a major way...they have their own economic interests to look at). Politically, Russia has done a good job of picking the fights it can get away with (what was it you said? 90% chance of winning and Putin will go for it?). This is the arena that you can stick your chest out about right now. However, you keep talking about history but neglect the fact that the one thing that unites the West more than anything else is a fear of an aggressor. Much further and Russia will ignite this fear to their own detriment.

The simple fact is that Russia simply cannot "win" and would be better served if she tried to rejoin the community of nations. Then we could all "win".

[Serb]

The problem is that you don't want the "all win" scenario. You have made yourselves very clear on that during the last 25 years.

If you are so sure that Russia cannot win, then what are you waiting for? Come and get us, motherf*ckers!

[Dinner]

The idea is that any war would be extremely costly even to the winner so it is much better to avoid war unless vital interests are at stake. It would be nice if your dictator attempted to act more like he gave a **** about his people because there are a lot of areas where we could all profit by working together. Putin seems to think starting conflicts is what he wants though.

[Proteus_MST]

The problem is that you don't want the "all win" scenario. You have made yourselves very clear on that during the last 25 years.

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With regards to Ukraina there is only one "all win" scenario.
And this is, if russia withdraws from crimea and also tries to broker a peace between the eastern ukrainian rebels and the ukrainian government ... instead of sending its "holiday soldiers" and their heavy equipment in support of the rebels, as well as agents and military advisors.
The relationship between riussia and europe will surely gradually normalize in this case and sanctions will be lifted, which will be a win to the ordinary russian people

If russia keeps Crimea and maybe also grabs eastern ukraina, russia wins.
But there are clear losers in this scenario ... Ukraina, as well as certain population groups in crimea (for example the crimea cossacks tartars) whose human rights situation has worsened a lot thanks to the russian land grab.

But of course, Putin will have to put his greater russian ambitions on hold for the all win scenario ... which will most likely not happen

[onodera]

Who the **** are Crimea Cossacks?

[Proteus_MST]

Who the **** are Crimea Cossacks?

You are right, my mistake ... I meant the Crimean Tartars ... who were, glad when Crimea became part of Ukraina, so they could get out of russia after decades of suppression in the USSR.
And who now face a similar situation as during the USSR, now that Putin annexed Crimea

[Serb]

Блять, какие сказочные все-таки долбоёбы!

[onodera]

You are right, my mistake ... I meant the Crimean Tartars ... who were, glad when Crimea became part of Ukraina, so they could get out of russia after decades of suppression in the USSR.
And who now face a similar situation as during the USSR, now that Putin annexed Crimea

I'm not inclined to use the same language as Serb, but you are mistaken. None of their grievances were solved during 20+ years of Ukrainian Crimea, they aren't being solved now. However, they haven't been deported to Kazakhstan and no one is removing their illegal homesteads, so I wouldn't say their situation is in any way comparable to Stalin's treatment of them.

[giblets]

Russia's paranoid delusions might be a self-fulfilling prophecy

[Proteus_MST]

I'm not inclined to use the same language as Serb, but you are mistaken. None of their grievances were solved during 20+ years of Ukrainian Crimea, they aren't being solved now. However, they haven't been deported to Kazakhstan and no one is removing their illegal homesteads, so I wouldn't say their situation is in any way comparable to Stalin's treatment of them.

Yes, I was exaggerating a little bit with the comparison to Stalins times ...
nevertheless things like this one sound like the crimean tartars were better off during ukrainian times:

Since the March 2014 annexation, Russian security forces have raided their main assembly, or Mejlis, and evicted them from the premises. Russia also silenced the Tatars' television broadcaster, ATR.

Several local Tatar activists were reportedly killed, beaten, or went missing. Two top leaders of the community were barred from Crimea.

In March, a year after the Russian takeover, the U.S. State Department said that "the human rights situation in Crimea has deteriorated dramatically, with mounting repression of minority communities and faiths, in particular Crimean Tatars, and systematic denial of fundamental freedoms."

http://www.rferl.org/content/putin-warns-crimean-tatars-not-seek-special-status/27194567.html