what happened to the großrossiya thread

[Bereta_Eder]

On the matter at hand, I don't know how Saras used the word "clean" but at least in the ukranian gov it means being virulently anti-russian, exclusive of other people that love their country, oligarch and monopole and of course, very corrupted and incompetent.

But anti-russian.
That's all that counts.
Also if you're not "clean", the american embassy throw you out because Ukraine is a free country now.

[Ellestar]

Whatever man. You live in Russia. Your life is miserable as it is, I won't try to make you feel any worse. Was that a fascist thing to do?

Hey, at least we're an industrial country. And our industry grows even more with all these "sanctions" It's not like we're from a forgotten and dying no-man's rural land like Baltic states. But rejoice, you completely defeated your "soviet past" by destroying all your industry, and now we're helping you with your ports too, by redirecting all our traffic to our own ports. Soon you'll be completely free of our soviet influence. Ah right, and food is under sanctions. Damn, it must be nice to live in Baltics, you're dropping your soviet past more and more every day. I guess it fills you with an images of grandeur and accomplisment.

[Sava]

an industrial country in a post industrial world






you'll catch up one day... but by then, we'll be somewhere else

ahead still

[Dinner]

Hey, at least we're an industrial country. And our industry grows even more with all these "sanctions" It's not like we're from a forgotten and dying no-man's rural land like Baltic states. But rejoice, you completely defeated your "soviet past" by destroying all your industry, and now we're helping you with your ports too, by redirecting all our traffic to our own ports. Soon you'll be completely free of our soviet influence. Ah right, and food is under sanctions. Damn, it must be nice to live in Baltics, you're dropping your soviet past more and more every day. I guess it fills you with an images of grandeur and accomplisment.

You industry is not growing, dude, it is actually capital starved and most of it has an operating lose. Meaning production is actually declining thus the recession.

You don't actually pick up on things very fast, do you?

[Saras]

Hey, at least we're an industrial country. And our industry grows even more with all these "sanctions" It's not like we're from a forgotten and dying no-man's rural land like Baltic states. But rejoice, you completely defeated your "soviet past" by destroying all your industry, and now we're helping you with your ports too, by redirecting all our traffic to our own ports. Soon you'll be completely free of our soviet influence. Ah right, and food is under sanctions. Damn, it must be nice to live in Baltics, you're dropping your soviet past more and more every day. I guess it fills you with an images of grandeur and accomplisment.

Russia to Britain, XIX century:

Hey, at least we're an agrarian country. And our agriculture grows even more with all these "corn laws". It's not like we're from a soon to be forgotten and cramped, overpopulated land like the British Isles, full of dark satanic mills.

[Saras]

Hey, at least we're an industrial country. And our industry grows even more with all these "sanctions" It's not like we're from a forgotten and dying no-man's rural land like Baltic states. But rejoice, you completely defeated your "soviet past" by destroying all your industry, and now we're helping you with your ports too, by redirecting all our traffic to our own ports. Soon you'll be completely free of our soviet influence. Ah right, and food is under sanctions. Damn, it must be nice to live in Baltics, you're dropping your soviet past more and more every day. I guess it fills you with an images of grandeur and accomplisment.

Tell me, is there a fake Baltic statistics site run by Zvezda TV somewhere, or do you just simply do the Russian khaltura thing and pull them our of your arse?

[Bereta_Eder]

Not up on you Yiddish, eh?

that's the greek jewish equivalant for that eastern european oy vei Your Dufuseness.

Here's another one

ego theo esy allah omos ki oi dyo mas ach kai vach


I God, You Allah, but both of us ah and vah (pain sounds)


Which means cut the busllhiiiiT

[Ellestar]

Russia to Britain, XIX century:

Hey, at least we're an agrarian country. And our agriculture grows even more with all these "corn laws". It's not like we're from a soon to be forgotten and cramped, overpopulated land like the British Isles, full of dark satanic mills.

Yeah, yeah, and where is that "Great" Britain now? In XIX it was number one. It didn't even have wars, revolutions, or changes of the form of government on it's territory, like we had. It was safely sitting on it's island.

[Ellestar]

You industry is not growing, dude, it is actually capital starved and most of it has an operating lose. Meaning production is actually declining thus the recession.

You don't actually pick up on things very fast, do you?

Yes, demand dropped, but we're producing more of the different things. So, overall we're doing fine.

[Bereta_Eder]

That's their fear. That a country can be completely self sufficient and outside of their claws.
But that's a large issue with no clear answers.

Neoliberals are ok. They are delusional and rather easily delt with.

If however in the baltics neoliberalism is also in a tautology with anti-russianism (where russian is identified with communist and anti-russian with nazist) then this becomes a problem.

Seeing as the baltics (particularly) latvia has completely decimated their countries with neoliberal policies to the point that they are now an american like private economy instead of a european mixed one, and IF they did that to differantiate with the russians (communists) because they are neoliberal (nazis)

then this is a problem, primarily for them.

The complete shut down of their public instututions, the impoverishment of their people, could be explained by the fact that they don't know any better.

But how can the complete absence of a left wing be explained? or any sensible act of resistance?

Is it because it is associated with russians (communists?)

They have thus lsot the primary defense mechanism of any european country and that is bad and sad.

Many countries post-communist went through that, but they recovered quickly.

It seems the fear of russia prevents the baltics from doing the same.

The oligarchs of course, don't care, they make good money out of it

GDP growth is meaningless btw in this framework since it is hit on the rocks of wealth accumulation

[Dr Strangelove]

Maybe not so critical of Russian homophobia?

http://news.yahoo.com/homicides-transgender-women-us-reach-alarming-high-172659763.html

Homicides of transgender women in US reach alarming high

This Monday, Aug. 17, 2015 photo provided by Randall Jenson, lead advocate of the Kansas City Anti-Violence Project, shows an altar made by the friends of Tamara Dominguez during a memorial service for her at her home. Dominguez was run over multiple times and left to die on a Kansas City street. For a few transgender Americans, this has been a year of glamour and fame. For many others, 2015 has been fraught with danger, violence and mourning. (Randall Jenson/Kansas City Anti-Violence Project via AP)

For a few transgender Americans, this has been a year of glamour and fame. For many others, 2015 has been fraught with danger, violence and mourning.

While Caitlyn Jenner made the cover of Vanity Fair and Laverne Cox prospered as a popular actress, other transgender women have become homicide victims at an alarming rate. By the count of the National Coalition of Anti-Violence Programs, there have been 22 killings so far this year of transgender or gender-nonconforming people — including 19 black or Latina transgender women.

The toll compares with 12 last year and 13 in 2013, and is the highest since advocacy groups began such tallies a decade ago.

"Most Americans think it's been an amazing year for transgender rights," said Mara Keisling, executive director of the National Center for Transgender Equality. "But for the transgender community, it's been one of the most traumatic years on record."

Death by death, the details are horrific. Kiesha Jenkins was beaten and shot dead by a cluster of assailants in Philadelphia. Tamara Dominguez was run over multiple times and left to die on a Kansas City street. Police said the most recent victim, Zella Ziona, was shot dead in Gaithersburg, Maryland, last month by a boyfriend embarrassed that Ziona showed up in the presence of some of his other friends.

There's no question that anti-transgender hatred fueled many of the killings, yet activists and social-service professionals say there are multiple factors that make transgender women of color vulnerable. They have documented that numerous victims were killed by intimate partners and many while engaging in prostitution.

"For many of these women, it's chronic unemployment or participation in survival sex work," said Louis Graham, a University of Massachusetts professor who has studied the experiences of black transgender women.

Many are beset by homelessness and economic desperation, sometimes ending out in coercive and violent relationships, Graham said.

Chase Strangio, an American Civil Liberties Union attorney, said that for many perpetrators of the violence, "there's a sense of transgender people being less than human."

Philadelphia has experienced two confirmed homicides of transgender people this year — as have Detroit and Kansas City. In May, London Chanel was fatally stabbed by her roommate's boyfriend in North Philadelphia; on Oct. 6, Kiesha Jenkins, 22, was attacked and shot dead by a group of men.

Police Capt. James Clark said Jenkins was a prostitute, and described the assault as a robbery, not a hate crime. Police soon arrested a suspect with a prior record of robbery arrests.

Nellie Fitzpatrick, a former assistant district attorney who now heads the Philadelphia mayor's Office of LGBT Affairs, said some transgender Philadelphians harbored long-standing mistrust of the police and were frustrated that Jenkins' killing was not being investigated as a hate crime, though Pennsylvania does not have a hate-crimes law covering gender identity.

However Fitzpatrick credited the police department with working to improve relations. One key step: establishing formal guidelines for officers' interactions with transgender people.

Deputy Police Commissioner Kevin Bethel said the guidelines, as well as LGBT-specific components in training at the police academy, were having a positive impact.

"It's not perfect," he said. "But we're moving in the right direction."

Among those killed in Detroit was Ashton O'Hara, whose stabbed body was found in a field in July. O'Hara embraced feminine attributes but was comfortable being addressed with male pronouns.

His mother, Rebecca O'Hara, said she noticed the tendencies while Ashton was still a toddler.

"How could you be against a person for being happy about who they are?" she asked during a telephone interview. She marveled at Ashton's skills as a hairdresser and makeup artist, yet worried about potential nastiness from others.

"For years, I was afraid I was going to get that phone call, telling me he's hurt or dead," she said. "He'd say, 'I'll be all right. Nothing will happen.'"

Police have arrested a 37-year-old man and charged him with Ashton's murder.

The other victim in Detroit this year was Amber Monroe, 20, shot dead in an area frequented by prostitutes. A friend, transgender-rights activist Julisa Abad, said Monroe had twice previously been wounded by gunshots in that area.

"To go back to that same place, life has to feel like you have no other choice," said Abad.

In Kansas City, Missouri, police continue to investigate the death of Tamara Dominguez, a 36-year-old who left Mexico in her late 20s to escape the violence she faced as a transgender woman.

At about 3 a.m. on Aug. 15, the driver of an SUV drove into her, ran over her several times, then fled, according to witnesses. There have been no arrests.

The high death toll this year may stem in part from greater awareness of anti-transgender violence, and more vigorous efforts to identify homicide cases in which this was a factor.

"The violence has been going on for a long time," said Chai Jindasurat of the New York City Anti-Violence Project. "We're now able to identify and document and report on it better."

Examples of heightened attention to the issue:

—On Tuesday, amid a week of nationwide events remembering transgender victims, the Congressional LGBT Equality Caucus held the first-ever hearing in Congress on anti-transgender violence. Among those testifying were two transgender women, LaLa Zannell and Joanna Cifredo.

—Two national advocacy groups — the Human Rights Campaign and the Trans People of Color Coalition — recently issued a report on "the epidemic of violence" against transgender people. It calls for passage of a federal nondiscrimination act that covers transgender people. According to the report, 15 percent of transgender homicide victims in the past three years were killed by intimate partners, and 34 percent may have been engaged in "survival sex work" at the time of their deaths.

Transgender prostitution is a harrowing issue.

Stefanie Rivera, now client services director with the Sylvia Rivera Law Project in New York, says she engaged in sex work starting as a 12-year-old in Los Angeles. "The fact that I'm here at 36 — I don't know how I made it so far. I had so many close calls," she said, adding two transgender friends were killed while engaged in sex work in Los Angeles.

Activists say there are no easy solutions to the violence.

"We need multiple strategies, aiming for sweeping cultural change," said Jindasurat. "The more people understand what it means to be transgender, the more accepting they will be."

Yet many Americans are uncomfortable with transgender people, Jindasurat said. He cited the recent referendum in Houston, where opponents of a nondiscrimination ordinance prevailed by stoking fears about transgender people's access to public restrooms.

In Detroit, Yvonne Siferd has worked with many transgender women as director of victim services for Equality Michigan, an LGBT-rights group. She's impressed by their resilience, yet dismayed by the challenges they face.

"We all grow up with this myth that you can be whatever you want when you grow up," Siferd said. "When you do grow up and become your authentic self, the fact that you could be targeted for just being you is terrifying."

[Proteus_MST]

How comes that so many need to work as sex workers?

Because noone hires them despite having learned a regular job (and being equal to nion transgendered persons)?
Or because their whole transition took so much energy/time that they didn´t have time to learn something regular? (and also being deep in debts due to the money the transition OPs cost them)

Nevertheless ... definitely something where human society still has to go a long way (in countries like the USA being made more difficult due to all those religious fundamentalist groups who hate anything that has to do with LGBT)

[giblets]

1. Plenty of employers won't hire someone who is transgender and will fire an employee who decides to transition from one gender to another.
2. It's nearly impossible to save up enough money to pay out of pocket for sexual reassignment surgery (and any additional cosmetic surgery if they think they need it) on a working class wage. Some men have a fetish for "shemales" so prostitution is somewhat lucrative.
3. Plenty of parents will kick their LGBT children out of the house so there are lots of homeless LGBT youth who lack job skills.

[Proteus_MST]

Crimea without power after bombs disrupted all 4 powerlines leading from Ukraina to Crimea

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34893493

Waiting for Serb to claim that it was the ukrainian state or western agents

[Ellestar]

Crimea without power after bombs disrupted all 4 powerlines leading from Ukraina to Crimea

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34893493

Waiting for Serb to claim that it was the ukrainian state or western agents

Obviously, Ukrainian terrorists did it. I like how BBC avoids calling a terrorist act "terrorist act". That's an obvious sign that it was done by a western-supported terrorists.