Yet another damn terrorist attack

[molly bloom]

Explaining to molly the difference between Positive Christianity and actual Christianity isn't really worth the effort.

I was brought up a Roman Catholic. Don't try patronising me- you don't have the spirit for it.

[DinoDoc]

Plans to destroy Christianity

Bullock wrote that, "once the war was over, [Hitler] promised himself, he would root out and destroy the influence of the Christian Churches". Phayer wrote that "By the latter part of the decade of the thirties church officials were well aware that the ultimate aim of Hitler and other Nazis was the total elimination of Catholicism and of the Christian religion. Since the overwhelming majority of Germans were either Catholic or Protestant this goal had to be a long-term rather than a short-term Nazi objective." According to Shirer, "under the leadership of Rosenberg, Bormann and Himmler—backed by Hitler—the Nazi regime intended to destroy Christianity in Germany, if it could, and substitute the old paganism of the early tribal Germanic gods and the new paganism of the Nazi extremists". Gill wrote that the Nazi plan was to "de-Christianise Germany after the final victory".[211] Dill states, "It seems no exaggeration to insist that the greatest challenge the Nazis had to face was their effort to eradicate Christianity in Germany or at least to subjugate it to their general world outlook." According to Bendersky, it was Hitler's long range goal to eliminate the churches once he had consolidated control over his European empire"

In 1999 Julie Seltzer Mandel, while researching documents for the "Nuremberg Project", discovered 150 bound volumes collected by Gen. William Donovan as part of his work on documenting Nazi war crimes. Donovan was a senior member of the U.S. prosecution team and had compiled large amounts of evidence that Nazis persecuted Christian churches. In a 108-page outline titled "The Nazi Master Plan" Office of Strategic Services investigators argued that the Nazi regime had a plan to reduce the influence of Christian churches through a campaign of systematic persecutions. "Important leaders of the National Socialist party would have liked to meet this situation [of church influence] by complete extirpation of Christianity and the substitution of a purely racial religion," said the report. The most persuasive evidence came from "the systematic nature of the persecution itself."

In Hitler's scheme for the Germanization of Eastern Europe, there was to be no place for Christian churches. For the time being, he ordered slow progress on the 'Church Question'. 'But is clear', noted Goebells, himself among the most aggressive anti-church radicals, 'that after the war it has to be solved... There is, namely, an insoluble opposition between the Christian and a Germanic-heroic world-view". Bullock wrote that "once the war was over, [Hitler] promised himself, he would root out and destroy the influence of the Christian churches, but until then he would be circumspect": Writing for Yad Vashem, the historian Michael Phayer wrote that by the latter 1930s, church officials knew that the long term aim of Hitler was the "total elimination of Catholicism and of the Christian religion".

In his memoirs, Hitler's chief architect Albert Speer recalled that when drafting his plans for Hitler's "new Berlin", when he told Hitler's private secretary Martin Bormann that he had consulted with Protestant and Catholic authorities over the locations for churches: "Bormann curtly informed me that churches were not to receive building sites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religio...y_Christianity

[Elok]

Yeah.

For once, don't be as stupid as you can be.

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http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/goebbels.html

I don't think I need to go into much more detail.

Molly, that quote mentions Goebbels was raised Catholic--in the same paragraph noting that he studied under a Jewish professor. The second part, at least, didn't really take.

(staying out of the larger discussion, or at least trying to, but that's not the best example you could have used)

[DinoDoc]

I was in such an area once when I was a teenager. I wanted to go from a small village to paris and I had to go through it to take the train. So I took the bus from the village to that area where the train departed for paris.
When I got back from paris by this train, there were no buses running to take me to the village!!!
Why? Because apparently they threw rocks at them at night, so the buses simply didn't run.

Now, bare in mind it was dark. I walked (a bit scared I admit) to try and find a phone for my mom to come and pick me up.
Guys, out of the blue, started throwing beer bottles behind me and they shattered to the pavement with noise. Up untill now, I have no freaking idea why that happened. Eventually I found a phone and got picked up by my mom's friend car.
True story. And probably the scariest place I've ever been besides maybe Soho in england (when I was also young, although there nothing happened)

What actual purpose do no go areas serve?

[Elok]

Re:OP, "Charlie" appear to have been racebaiting turdblossoms, but I would approve of the French government paying to reprint their most obnoxious issues and distribute them, free of charge, all over France. Just for spite.

[C0ckney]

Also, here's another take:

We think the Paris terrorists were offended by Charlie Hebdo's satire. What if we're wrong?

Maybe the terrorists are using these cartoons simply as a pretext to justify being murderous ****s in their own twisted minds...

i think this is probably the correct interpretation. these attackers remind me far more of the far right paramilitaries that operated in parts of europe in the 60s and 70s aiming to create an atmosphere of tension, than the suicide bombers we saw in madrid and london.

[Felch]

I was brought up a Roman Catholic. Don't try patronising me- you don't have the spirit for it.

I'm not patronizing you. I'm mocking your ignorance.

[Bereta_Eder]

What actual purpose do no go areas serve?

I don't think they are the product of a rational decision.
It's basically areas that the state has relinquished control through inability to enforce its authority or through negligence.

Sometimes these evolve into crime infested areas, sometimes they evolve, I think, to the Paris Commune.

For more info I refer you to our trusted anarchist connaiseur

[Hauldren Collider]

It's kind of astounding to me that European countries would simply surrender large swaths of their cities to lawlessness. Then again, we have Detroit, so maybe I shouldn't talk.

[loinburger]

Responding to a statement like "Islam is a religion of hate" with examples of Christianity being a religion of hate is relevant. There are people who claim that Islam is a religion of hate, however those people either don't post here or they've been banned for the time being.

Responding to a statement like "radical Islam is a clear and present danger to free speech" or whatever with examples of Christianity being a danger to free speech in the 15th century or whenever is kind of annoying.

[Elok]

It's kind of astounding to me that European countries would simply surrender large swaths of their cities to lawlessness. Then again, we have Detroit, so maybe I shouldn't talk.

Not for long. Drones have paved the way for ED-209.

[Bereta_Eder]

Maybe societal liberalism is like the coming of the new year. australia always gets it first but eventually it will reach california. (of course situations have to permit to be enlightment at some point)

[I AM MOBIUS]

The U.S. definition of 'democracy': effectively a two party state where the 'choice' is between a party more right-wing that most mainstream right-wing parties in Europe - or an even more right-wing party...

[loinburger]

"harr, 'democracy' - a choice between parties I don't like "

[C0ckney]

What actual purpose do no go areas serve?

a better question might be to ask whether they actually exist. for example, the media and most middle class brazilians would say that favelas are no go areas, yet i, a white foreigner, have been into more than 50, and lived in 2 of them. so we should be careful about taking such definitions and statements at face value.