Yet another damn terrorist attack

[Dinner]

Also, yes, I agree there are a lot of crazy American conservatives (the guys who say we need a violent overthrow of the government because there is a black president) but once people are citizens it is impossible to deport them for obvious reason. This why it is even more important to try to prevent extremists or peoe who support extremists out. Once they're in it is often too late to get rid of them.

[Dinner]

I don't get the logic there; it's not like Israel is known for being safe from attacks by antisemites. Hell, the fight over the Temple Mount could quite possibly spark Intifada 3, and terrorism has never been more cool among young Arabs thanks to ISIS.

Actually the seporation wall has been very effective. The only thing which seems to regularly get through are the home made rockets.

[Imran Siddiqui]

I really resent that lie.

There is a way to stop that you know? Stop being a ****ing bigot / racist!

[Dinner]

16% of French Citizens Support ISIS, Poll Finds


Edit: Amusingly enough, ISIS appears to be more popular in Europe than in Gaza.

Which would imply they are really letting the wrong muslims in despite their best efforts. Either that or just moving to the west results in them becoming radicalized.

Neither one is good.

[Dinner]

There is a way to stop that you know? Stop being a ****ing bigot / racist!

So no response to the actual issues brought up? Just more name calling and lies. Why not ask how long someone has been beating their wife be a use they dare to bring up a problem you don't want talked about?

This really is the ugly side of liberalism. If anyone dares to question orthodoxy or bring up uncomfortable facts then the knee jerk is to cry racism no matter if the allegation is untrue. Did you notice how clowns did the same thing to Bill Mayer when he brought up uncomfortable facts? Yet he is still talking about it because time has proven him right.

Rather than trying to prevent conversation about topics you don't like how about you use facts and logic to show the questions raised aren't real or are some how invalid. Yes, that takes work and a bit of thinking but I am sure if your argument is good it would work. Are you afraid you can't do that or something?

[I AM MOBIUS]

16% of French Citizens Support ISIS, Poll Finds

Edit: Amusingly enough, ISIS appears to be more popular in Europe than in Gaza.

That simply proves that there are a minority of morons in every country. Also, the reality (as opposed to any romantic notions people in France might have) is closer to the people of Gaza, given what they've been through lately.

Take Oerdin's OMFG Muslims Love Terrists (TM) poll: Plenty of Pakistanis were gung-ho about supporting suicide bombing - until theirs was the country getting targeted by suicide bombers...

[I AM MOBIUS]

Mobius, please learn to read. It lists designated terrorist groups, all of the major ones, and breaks it down by country and by group. Yes, exactly which groups are supported varies by country but in total the numbers average 30% to 40% in total. Please start being honest or stop running your mouth if you don't understand the results.

I want your methodology.

Because I already explained to you that - using your poll - Al Qaeda and the Taliban (the really bad ones) only receive 13% support. Hamas and Hezb are much more than simply terrorist orgs, so it is entirely likely they are supported for many reasons other than just simply 'terrism', hence their higher levels of support...

Also 13+13+32+26/4 does not equal "30 to 40%" (Clue: 21)

Also, I'd be tempted to remove the obviously skewed opinions of pollsters from Palestine, Egypt, Lebanon and Jordan, considering they've been terrorised by the Israelis off and on for the last almost 70 years...

[I AM MOBIUS]

Which would imply they are really letting the wrong muslims in despite their best efforts. Either that or just moving to the west results in them becoming radicalized.

Neither one is good.

Apparently only 7.5% of the population of France is muslim. So, even assuming that 100% of the muslims are sympathetic to ISIS, that still means that MORE non-muslims are sympathetic to ISIS in France, than muslims...!?

Maybe it's not the muslims who are the problem after all!? Shock!

[DinoDoc]

That simply proves that there are a minority of morons in every country.

That's a fairly significant minority in France from which to draw support: 27% of people ages 18-24 years old.

[I AM MOBIUS]

So no response to the actual issues brought up? Just more name calling and lies. Why not ask how long someone has been beating their wife be a use they dare to bring up a problem you don't want talked about?

This really is the ugly side of liberalism. If anyone dares to question orthodoxy or bring up uncomfortable facts then the knee jerk is to cry racism no matter if the allegation is untrue. Did you notice how clowns did the same thing to Bill Mayer when he brought up uncomfortable facts? Yet he is still talking about it because time has proven him right.

Rather than trying to prevent conversation about topics you don't like how about you use facts and logic to show the questions raised aren't real or are some how invalid. Yes, that takes work and a bit of thinking but I am sure if your argument is good it would work. Are you afraid you can't do that or something?

Your entire argument is based on collective punishment of an entire religion (who also in the majority happen to be brown) based on the fact that a minority of its followers supports certain terrorist organisations, whilst ignoring the fact that minorities of all other religions/races do the same...

Hell, I've already pointed out that a similar % of your own country is actively considering an armed revolution against its elected govt, and your response is 'meh, they're already here'...!?

You're a racist, Oerdin, plain and simple.

[I AM MOBIUS]

That's a fairly significant minority in France from which to draw support: 27% of people ages 18-24 years old.

I just said that your average person is, in fact, a moron. These polls and Oerdin posting in this thread simply proves my assertion.

42% of your country believes in creationism, for example.

Also 'support' doesn't equate to action. I imagine many at that age are probably immature guys fantasising over the fact that if you're in ISIS you can buy sex slaves for less than $100...

[DinoDoc]

I'm actually shocked he hasn't said anything about the Muslim mayor of Rotterdam's call to action.

[I AM MOBIUS]

I'm not. He's a racist. He probably has a conspiracy theory about the fact that the mayor of Rotterdam is in fact an ISIS operative in deep cover

[C0ckney]

what does 'support a terrorist organisation' mean?

does it mean: have some sympathy with the aims of x organisation, or; be prepared to provide money or other help to them, or; be prepared to actively take part in their activities? i suspect that most would be in the first group, with a far smaller proportion in the second and a really tiny amount of people in the third.

i wonder what the numbers would have looked like if you had asked americans about their views on the IRA during the troubles.

[I AM MOBIUS]

It's the avatar. That would irritate anyone.

Given how that comes after donegeal's cartoon Muhammad avatar, that's either perfect timing, or you did it on purpose...