Yet another damn terrorist attack

[Dinner]

Mobius, it 8s at the link provided. It has always been there but you have been to busy running your mouth to bother to look.

[I AM MOBIUS]

Where!? If it's there, why won't you simply point it out to me as I ask...?

Is there a link to a muslims who support terrorists secret forum I've overlooked!?

I mean, I've found this:



But that supports what I've been saying: support for terrorist orgs 21% on average; really nasty terrorist orgs 13%

[I AM MOBIUS]

Here is the link again: http://www.pewglobal.org/2013/09/10/...remist-groups/

Prove to everyone here that I'm wrong Oerdin, that should be entertainment enough, surely...

[I AM MOBIUS]

Some quotes from your link:

Overall, views of extremist groups are negative across the Muslim publics surveyed.

Al Qaeda, which is responsible for some of the most well-known and devastating terrorist attacks in the last 15 years, receives the most negative ratings among the extremist groups included in the survey.

Since Hamas took control of the Gaza Strip in 2007, support for the organization has fallen among Palestinian Muslims (-15 percentage points). The loss of support has been especially dramatic among Muslims in the West Bank

So basically, the more overtly terrorist Hamas becomes, the less support it has among muslims...

Really your link just proves that you have an irrational hatred of muslims/arabs in general, which in polite circles, is called racism.

[Fake Boris]

If you lived in the US in 2013, you were more likely to be accidentally killed by a toddler mishandling a firearm than by an Islamist terrorist

Are All Terrorists Muslims? It’s Not Even Close
What percentage of terror attacks in the United States and Europe are committed by Muslims? Guess. Nope. Guess again. And again...
“Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims.” How many times have you heard that one? Sure, we heard Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade say it, but to me, that was simply part of the Fox News plan to make their viewers dumber, as we saw again this past weekend when its terrorism “expert” Steve Emerson was caught fabricating the story that Birmingham, England, is closed to non-Muslims. But more alarmingly, even some reasonable people have uttered this statement.

And that comment is often followed up by the question: Why don’t we see Christian, Buddhist, or Jewish terrorists?

Obviously, there are people who sincerely view themselves as Muslims who have committed horrible acts in the name of Islam. We Muslims can make the case that their actions are not based on any part of the faith but on their own political agenda. But they are Muslims, no denying that.

However, and this will probably shock many, so you might want to take a breath: Overwhelmingly, those who have committed terrorist attacks in the United States and Europe aren’t Muslims. Let’s give that a moment to sink in.

Now, it’s not your fault if you aren’t aware of that fact. You can blame the media. (Yes, Sarah Palin and I actually agree on one thing: The mainstream media sucks.)

So here are some statistics for those interested. Let’s start with Europe. Want to guess what percent of the terrorist attacks there were committed by Muslims over the past five years? Wrong. That is, unless you said less than 2 percent.

As Europol, the European Union’s law-enforcement agency, noted in its report released last year, the vast majority of terror attacks in Europe were perpetrated by separatist groups. For example, in 2013, there were 152 terror attacks in Europe. Only two of them were “religiously motivated,” while 84 were predicated upon ethno-nationalist or separatist beliefs.

Or what about the (dare I mention them) Jewish terrorists? Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers.
We are talking about groups like France’s FLNC, which advocates an independent nation for the island of Corsica. In December 2013, FLNC terrorists carried out simultaneous rocket attacks against police stations in two French cities. And in Greece in late 2013, the left-wing Militant Popular Revolutionary Forces shot and killed two members of the right-wing political party Golden Dawn. While over in Italy, the anarchist group FAI engaged in numerous terror attacks including sending a bomb to a journalist. And the list goes on and on.

Have you heard of these incidents? Probably not. But if Muslims had committed them do you think you our media would’ve covered it? No need to answer, that’s a rhetorical question.

Even after one of the worst terror attacks ever in Europe in 2011, when Anders Breivik slaughtered 77 people in Norway to further his anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant, and pro-“Christian Europe” agenda as he stated in his manifesto, how much press did we see in the United States? Yes, it was covered, but not the way we see when a Muslim terrorist is involved. Plus we didn’t see terrorism experts fill the cable news sphere asking how we can stop future Christian terrorists. In fact, even the suggestion that Breivik was a “Christian terrorist” was met with outrage by many, including Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly.

Have you heard about the Buddhist terrorists? Well, extremist Buddhists have killed many Muslim civilians in Burma, and just a few months ago in Sri Lanka, some went on a violent rampage burning down Muslim homes and businesses and slaughtering four Muslims.

Or what about the (dare I mention them) Jewish terrorists? Per the 2013 State Department’s report on terrorism, there were 399 acts of terror committed by Israeli settlers in what are known as “price tag” attacks. These Jewish terrorists attacked Palestinian civilians causing physical injuries to 93 of them and also vandalized scores of mosques and Christian churches.

Back in the United States, the percentage of terror attacks committed by Muslims is almost as miniscule as in Europe. An FBI study looking at terrorism committed on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 found that 94 percent of the terror attacks were committed by non-Muslims. In actuality, 42 percent of terror attacks were carried out by Latino-related groups, followed by 24 percent perpetrated by extreme left-wing actors.

And as a 2014 study by University of North Carolina found, since the 9/11 attacks, Muslim-linked terrorism has claimed the lives of 37 Americans. In that same time period, more than 190,000 Americans were murdered (PDF).

In fact in 2013, it was actually more likely Americans would be killed by a toddler than a terrorist. In that year, three Americans were killed in the Boston Marathon bombing. How many people did toddlers kill in 2013? Five, all by accidentally shooting a gun.

But our media simply do not cover the non-Muslim terror attacks with same gusto. Why? It’s a business decision. Stories about scary “others” play better. It’s a story that can simply be framed as good versus evil with Americans being the good guy and the brown Muslim as the bad.

Honestly, when is the last time we heard the media refer to those who attack abortion clinics as “Christian terrorists,” even though these attacks occur at one of every five reproductive health-care facilities? That doesn’t sell as well. After all we are a so-called Christian nation, so that would require us to look at the enemy within our country, and that makes many uncomfortable. Or worse, it makes them change the channel.

That’s the same reason we don’t see many stories about how to reduce the 30 Americans killed each day by gun violence or the three women per day killed by domestic violence. But the media will have on expert after expert discussing how can we stop these scary brown Muslims from killing any more Americans despite the fact you actually have a better chance of being killed by a refrigerator falling on you.

Look, this article is not going to change the media’s business model. But what I hope it does is cause some to realize that not all terrorists are Muslims. In fact, they are actually a very small percent of those that are. Now, I’m not saying to ignore the dangers posed by Islamic radicals. I’m just saying look out for those refrigerators.

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I don't know about you but in Chicago, I watch the news every morning and they detail every gun related death in the city or any women killed by domestic violence.
And there is a lot of coverage on what's or what's not being done to stop them. I'll admit that if a terrorist is involved the add a little extra to the coverage. (even if it's non Muslim)
So claiming the media doesn't cover it is just a convenient lie by the author to make his point seem more spectacular. Something he accuses the rest of the media of doing.

He has no problem producing stats to back up his claim about the deaths but when it comes to backing his claims about the coverage, no stats are ever mentioned.
(i'll admit that I don't have stats about coverage, but due to the high count of gun deaths in Chicago, it's ALWAYS a story when it happens.)
Sometimes on a warm weekend in the summer there are so many that they limit themselves to the body count.

Pot calling kettle black.

[Dauphin]

FWIW: I would have supported jailing any American giving monetary support to Sinn Fein/IRA.

I think the call out on Che we had is a testament to that.

[Fake Boris]

I don't know about you but in Chicago, I watch the news every morning and they detail every gun related death in the city or any women killed by domestic violence.
And there is a lot of coverage on what's or what's not being done to stop them. I'll admit that if a terrorist is involved the add a little extra to the coverage. (even if it's non Muslim)
So claiming the media doesn't cover it is just a convenient lie by the author to make his point seem more spectacular. Something he accuses the rest of the media of doing.

He has no problem producing stats to back up his claim about the deaths but when it comes to backing his claims about the coverage, no stats are ever mentioned.
(i'll admit that I don't have stats about coverage, but due to the high count of gun deaths in Chicago, it's ALWAYS a story when it happens.)
Sometimes on a warm weekend in the summer there are so many that they limit themselves to the body count.

Pot calling kettle black.

Don't respond to an article if you didn't read it

[rah]

I did read it. I bet you weren't counting on that.
In the US there is a big difference between national news and local news.
Local deaths are covered locally. That doesn't mean that those 30 americans that are killed every day aren't covered. They're just not covered by the national news.
You should actually learn about a country before you throw your stones.

[Fake Boris]

The article doesn't speak of common murders or deaths, but of terrorism.

I'm glad to hear your local media is covering Buddhist and Christian terrorism. You're lucky to enjoy such a media in your community.

[Elok]

Dinner: There's really no denying that you're a racist after the bit about the gross hairy Persian woman.

Re: Islam, the more I read about it, the harder I find it to believe that Muhammad would not approve of most of IS's activities, seeing as he did most of them himself. However, most Muslims in the West today are, AFAICT, "bad" Muslims; they consent to live under the rule of infidels, don't do military service to advance the Dar al-Islam, etc. I assume there's some long explanation for why they don't follow The Prophet (PBUH)'s example. Don't care, their theological problems are most definitely their problem, not mine. Anyway, to wrap up what would otherwise be a really long post, the rise of radical Islam is quite complicated, and to exclude all immigrants from majority-Muslim countries (this would exclude a large number of refugees fleeing the insanity, of course) would be to ironically follow the Prophet's own lousy moral example of collective punishment.

[rah]

The article doesn't speak of common murders or deaths, but of terrorism.

Obviously you don't even read the articles that you post. The one you accused me of not reading. You're hilarious.

That’s the same reason we don’t see many stories about how to reduce the 30 Americans killed each day by gun violence or the three women per day killed by domestic violence.

And yes we do have great local coverage in my Community. Maybe you should live in a real city like Chicago.

[I AM MOBIUS]

So I guess Oerdin was wrong again - in fact I'd go so far as to say that Oerdin is more often wrong than Fox News...

[Uncle Sparky]

FWIW: I would have supported jailing any American giving monetary support to Sinn Fein/IRA.

Funny thing is, as a non-Catholic I remember attending St.Paddy's Day celebrations at a local Catholic church as recently as the late '70s, and being offered buttons to support 'Northern Irish Aid'. I don't think anyone seriously thought the money was going to philanthropic or educational endeavors, but both Church and State were big contributors.

This is Canada, of course, where at the time we tried to be an 'honest broker' and, while condemning violent terrorists, then we did not label every government opposition movement 'terrorists'.

[I AM MOBIUS]

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