The Catholic Church is definitely not to blame for this!

[Ben Kenobi]

So while Jesus was 'dead' there was no god?

God the Father and God the Holy Spirit were alive when God as Jesus Christ was dead.

And yes, Jesus actually died and descended into hell.

[AAAAAAAAH!]

lol it sounds like God, the Son and the other parts of the Trinity are separate gods in Ben's mind.

[Ben Kenobi]

lol it sounds like God, the Son and the other parts of the Trinity are separate gods in Ben's mind

God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy spirit is the standard way of phrasing the trinity.

[Dinner]

I was wondering when Ming was going to start pwning him

Ming pwns him pretty regularly and Ben deserves it.

[rah]

But he never seems to realize that it happened.

[kentonio]

Oh ****.. it seems these care kids werent just abused and neglected but also used in unauthorised vaccine tests by a pharma company..

http://www.salon.com/2014/06/09/the_...ts_much_worse/

[Ben Kenobi]

But he never seems to realize that it happened.

Rah, Oerdin is always wrong.

[rah]

Woooosh

[Ben Kenobi]

Uh, I don't think you are an objective source, rah

[Elok]

FFS. Here:

Between them the boys levered up the slab. “There were skeletons thrown in there. They were all this way and that way. They weren’t wrapped in anything, and there were no coffins,” he says. “But there was no way there were 800 skeletons down that hole. Nothing like that number. I don’t know where the papers got that.” How many skeletons does he believe there were? “About 20.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/tuam-mother-and-baby-home-the-trouble-with-the-septic-tank-story-1.1823393?page=2

796 was the total number believed to have died over the entire time period, 1925 to 1961. Also in the article, from Corless herself:

Even if a number of children are indeed interred in what was once a sewage tank, horrific as that thought is, there cannot be 796 of them. The public water scheme came to Tuam in 1937. Between 1925, when the home opened, and 1937 the tank remained in use. During that period 204 children died at the home. Corless admits that it now seems impossible to her that more than 200 bodies could have been put in a working sewage tank.

Is anybody even bothering to correct this? Yes, the RCC has a good many skeletons in her closet, but that does not absolve us of all responsibility to get the basic facts straight.

[rah]

Uh, I don't think you are an objective source, rah

I'd rather be considered biased then clueless.

[N35t0r]

FFS. Here:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/tuam-mother-and-baby-home-the-trouble-with-the-septic-tank-story-1.1823393?page=2

796 was the total number believed to have died over the entire time period, 1925 to 1961. Also in the article, from Corless herself:



Is anybody even bothering to correct this? Yes, the RCC has a good many skeletons in her closet, but that does not absolve us of all responsibility to get the basic facts straight.

Yeah, sorry, but even then, 20 dead thrown into a septic tank is what I'd expect from a bloodthirsty dictator, not from a catholic home set up to help people.

Also, 796 deaths over 36 years, for a population of some 300 people? It doesn't seem like they were treated particularly well....

[Elok]

Quick reckoning on my calculator says that's an average mortality rate of 7% or so. Say 14%, since half the population were mothers and these were just kids. I don't know what we should expect for an orphans' home in a poor country, but with a constantly-shifting population set coming at least partly from the lower classes, I'd expect disease to take a considerable toll even if they were quite well cared for, especially given the time period (no antibiotics prior to 1940 or so, and that's assuming they could afford them there). What kind of budget did they have? What was their staff-to-population ratio? How crowded? These are the questions people should be asking, but since it was a Catholic institution we're going on the (misreported) word of one amateur historian.

[Elok]

Furthermore, as my source notes, it was only a septic tank for about ten years, and it's unlikely they found it convenient to open up the thing to put bodies into it; would you dispose of garbage, of whatever type, by throwing it directly into your sewage? It's entirely possible that, in its last years, they ran out of space in the little cemetery plot and had no other recourse but to use the area they'd once used for sewage.

Of course it's possible that these were just horrible old witches doing horrible things. I would not be surprised if, at the very least, they were cruel and took advantage of the people they were supposed to be helping. But the ratio of facts to inventions, speculations and innuendo here is utterly silly, and we wouldn't tolerate it if it didn't involve an organization we're predisposed to hate.

[N35t0r]

Quick reckoning on my calculator says that's an average mortality rate of 7% or so. Say 14%, since half the population were mothers and these were just kids. I don't know what we should expect for an orphans' home in a poor country, but with a constantly-shifting population set coming at least partly from the lower classes, I'd expect disease to take a considerable toll even if they were quite well cared for, especially given the time period (no antibiotics prior to 1940 or so, and that's assuming they could afford them there).

Wiki reports the death rates of Ireland for most of that period to be around 14‰, so this would mean about a fifth to a tenth of the home.

What kind of budget did they have? What was their staff-to-population ratio? How crowded? These are the questions people should be asking, but since it was a Catholic institution we're going on the (misreported) word of one amateur historian.

Do tell me what level of budget, staff to population ratio and crowdedness justifies even one dead disposed by throwing him into a septic tank?