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    Horror House: Skeletons of 800 Babies Found in Mass Septic Tank Grave Near Former Home of Unwed Mothers in Ireland

    By Leonardo Blair , CP Reporter
    June 3, 2014|2:24 pm

    An old septic tank located next to a former home for unwed mothers run by Catholic nuns in Ireland from 1925 to 1961, was revealed this week to be a massive grave containing the skeletons of nearly 800 infants and children.

    The Home, as the former refuge for "fallen women" is known, was run by the Bon Secours nuns in Tuam, according to The Washington Post. The mothers, according to that report, would pay penance for their shame with indentured labor then leave but many of their children never left with them.

    An Irish Central report revealed that the children were secretly buried "without coffins or headstones on unconsecrated ground."

    The revelation was made by Catherine Corless, a local historian and genealogist who went to Catholic school with some of the children from the home as a child.

    "They were always segregated to the side of regular classrooms," Corless told Irish Central. "By doing this the nuns telegraphed the message that they were different and that we should keep away from them.

    "They didn't suggest we be nice to them. In fact if you acted up in class some nuns would threaten to seat you next to the Home Babies. That was the message we got in our young years," Corless explained.

    A local health board inspection report from April 1944 recorded 271 children and 61 single mothers in the home. The 333 total was way above the 243 capacity of the building.

    Black and white photos featuring the ostracized children from the site showed none of them smiling. The health board report described them as "emaciated," "pot-bellied," "fragile" and with "flesh hanging loosely on limbs."

    The Washington Post said the discovery is now the subject of a police investigation and serves as a window into the grim period for unmarried pregnant women in Ireland when religious and social values dictated their treatment.

    "When daughters became pregnant, they were ostracized completely," explained Corless. "Families would be afraid of neighbors finding out, because to get pregnant out of marriage was the worst thing on Earth. It was the worst crime a woman could commit, even though a lot of the time it had been because of a rape."

    Corless' research on the Home has resulted in the identification of 796 of the infants and children who died there.

    "First I contacted the Bon Secours sisters at their headquarters in Cork and they replied they no longer had files or information about The Home because they had left Tuam in 1961 and had handed all their records over to the Western Health Board," she explained to Irish Central.
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    "Eventually I had the idea to contact the registry office in Galway. I remembered a law was enacted in 1932 to register every death in the country. My contact said give me a few weeks and I'll let you know," she said.

    "A week later she got back to me and said do you really want all of these deaths? I said I do. She told me I would be charged for each record. Then she asked me did I realize the enormity of the numbers of deaths there?"

    The 796 figure was staggering.

    "I could not believe it. I was dumbfounded and deeply upset," said Corless. "There and then I said this isn't right. There's nothing on the ground there to mark the grave, there's nothing to say it's a massive children's graveyard. It's laid abandoned like that since it was closed in 1961."

    She says she blames the Catholic Church and the families of the women for what happened at the home and is now working to raise money for a plaque to remember the forgotten children.

    "I do blame the Catholic Church," Corless told Irish Central. "I blame the families as well but people were afraid of the parish priest. I think they were brainwashed. I suppose the lesson is not to be hiding things. To face up to reality.

    "My fear is that if things aren't faced now it's very easy to slide back into this kind of cover-up again. I want the truth out there. If you give people too much power it's dangerous," she said.
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    So, JR, what are your thoughts on Kermit Gosnell?
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    • #3
      Every life is precious... until it leaves the womb.
      To us, it is the BEAST.

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      • #4
        I'm not quite sure how people who support abortion and the disposal of children as medical waste have anything to say here. At least these children were actually dead first.
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        • #5
          There's nothing on this particular subject you have to say that I would possibly want to hear (or read).
          To us, it is the BEAST.

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          • #6
            There's nothing on this particular subject you have to say that I would possibly want to hear (or read).
            I find the hypocrisy quite telling. We don't believe it's a shameful thing when women get pregnant, which is why we encourage them to go get an abortion. Isn't it great that we are so much more enlightened these days?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
              So, JR, what are your thoughts on Kermit Gosnell?
              The Catholic Church in Ireland is morally equivalent to Kermit Gosnell? Isn't he in jail currently?
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              • #8
                The Catholic Church in Ireland is morally equivalent to Kermit Gosnell? Isn't he in jail currently?
                Are you claiming it's illegal to bury miscarried children?
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                • #9
                  This is very sad and worthy of serious discussion, so it's a shame that the first thing to go through the threadstarter's mind was "trollbait!"
                  No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The Mad Monk View Post
                    This is very sad and worthy of serious discussion, so it's a shame that the first thing to go through the threadstarter's mind was "trollbait!"
                    sanctimonious counter-troll
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • #11
                      No, I disagree. It's a fair criticism by TMM. I had this sitting on my screen for a couple hours before hitting Post. FWIW, I read multiple accounts and tried to get the non-sensationalized facts as best I could.

                      It's a horrific residual of a dark period in Irish history (mirrored elsewhere, no doubt). In that time, Irish Catholics and Protestants alike shunned any teen pregnancy, and the girls were not allowed to keep their own progeny.

                      I confess to wondering in what way Ben would try to redirect the discussion away from any criticism of the church. While most of this story is sociological (as opposed to religious), the burial of hundreds of innocents on unconsecrated ground in a mass grave is against RCC prescribed practice. Its secretive nature and the facility's very high mortality rate are, shall we say, suggestive of deeper problems.

                      Ben's reaction? To invoke the name of a murderer and try to drive the discussion away from the facts at hand. Not surprising.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by -Jrabbit View Post
                        No, I disagree. It's a fair criticism by TMM. I had this sitting on my screen for a couple hours before hitting Post. FWIW, I read multiple accounts and tried to get the non-sensationalized facts as best I could.

                        It's a horrific residual of a dark period in Irish history (mirrored elsewhere, no doubt). In that time, Irish Catholics and Protestants alike shunned any teen pregnancy, and the girls were not allowed to keep their own progeny.

                        I confess to wondering in what way Ben would try to redirect the discussion away from any criticism of the church. While most of this story is sociological (as opposed to religious), the burial of hundreds of innocents on unconsecrated ground in a mass grave is against RCC prescribed practice. Its secretive nature and the facility's very high mortality rate are, shall we say, suggestive of deeper problems.

                        Ben's reaction? To invoke the name of a murderer and try to drive the discussion away from the facts at hand. Not surprising.
                        How is TMM's amateur mind-reading considered "fair criticism"

                        What a load of shit.
                        To us, it is the BEAST.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                          So, JR, what are your thoughts on Kermit Gosnell?
                          I would think about your stance if this is the first thing you use in defense. The better stance here would be to admit the horrible mistake and find some evidence to post that shows the Church doing something to correct it or making sure something like it doesn't happen again.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sava View Post
                            There's nothing on this particular subject you have to say that I would possibly want to hear (or read).
                            To be fair, is there any subject that you would want to hear Ben's opinion on? I can't think of any.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by DaShi View Post
                              To be fair, is there any subject that you would want to hear Ben's opinion on? I can't think of any.
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                              To us, it is the BEAST.

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