Political quiz

[kentonio]

Lib Dems: 92%
Scottish Nationals: 80% (LOL, because I'm strongly against devolution and Scottish Independence)
Labor: 79%
Green: 79%
Plaid Cymru: 77%
Conservatives: 61%

For comparison... the US quiz for me:

Green Party: 92%
Democrats: 88%
Socialist: 65%
Libertarians: 59%
Republicans: 13%

Conservative 61% to Republican 13%. Yeah that's the kind of thing I was expecting to see.

[kentonio]

So? It goes both ways. UK right wing parties support more extremists positions than the Republican Party.

No they don't.

... You know this goes against your premise... right?

No it doesn't. The only reason I called you on that one term, was because conservative here is a specific party rather than a catch-all term for the right wing.

Listing some key issues that the respective parties believe in does not support your point. For every single piece of information that you (incorrectly) think helps your premise, there are twice as many refuting your argument... and you yourself have posted information that contradicts your own position. Self pwnage

Please feel free to actually point to some, or supply some examples of things that supposedly refute my argument.

Also, just because you personally believe in something, doesn't make it true.

Very true, but as Imran says it's hardly something only I believe.

[regexcellent]

Found it, I got 90% for Republicans, 76% for Libertarians, 43% Democrats, 24% green party. Not a huge difference. Compare 90% UKIP, 86% Tory, 54% Lib Dem...and Labour doesn't even show up.

I think it was probably environmental issues that made up the difference for me between UKIP/Tory.\

e: Oh, no, it was because I put foreign policy as more important than the other stuff.

[Sava]

American results:

Democrat 97%
Green 96%
Socialist (lawl) 77%
LIbertarian 46%
Republican 16%

[Sava]

No they don't.

The BNP is fascism. Despite the GOP leaning more towards fascism than the Democrats, they still aren't even near the ballpark of the BNP. So you are wrong.

No it doesn't. The only reason I called you on that one term, was because conservative here is a specific party rather than a catch-all term for the right wing.

You are the one trying to compare the UK to America. I keep reminding you of this because you seem to forget the "America" part of your comparison between the UK and America. In America, the BNP would fit entirely under the Republican tent.

Please feel free to actually point to some, or supply some examples of things that supposedly refute my argument.

I just did... and have in every one of my posts. I've refuted everything you've said... successfully.

So please, provide more evidence. Nothing you've offered so far supports your original point.

Very true, but as Imran says it's hardly something only I believe.

As the existence of Imran proves, you don't have a monopoly on wrongness.

[kentonio]

American results:

Democrat 97%
Green 96%
Socialist (lawl) 77%
LIbertarian 46%
Republican 16%

Any chance you could quickly do the UK one again, you didn't post your conservative party % from that one.

[Ben Kenobi]

Found it, I got 90% for Republicans, 76% for Libertarians, 43% Democrats, 24% green party. Not a huge difference. Compare 90% UKIP, 86% Tory, 54% Lib Dem...and Labour doesn't even show up.

93 Republican
53 Libertarian
3 Democrat
0 Socialist
0 Green

I'm getting soft.

[Ben Kenobi]

the BNP would fit entirely under the Republican tent.

The last Republican presidential nominee supported gay marriage, abortion and universal health care. I don't see it Sava.

[Sava]

Any chance you could quickly do the UK one again, you didn't post your conservative party % from that one.

Sure.

[Sava]

UK test again:
I made more of an effort to answer as if I was a UKer


Green 90%
Lib Dem 89%
Labour 88%
Scottish Nationals 81%
Plaid Cymru 71%
BNP 27%
Conservatives 13%
UK Indepedence 10%



It appears as if I'm too liberal/left for the UK.

But all Americans are to the right of the UK, huh?

[kentonio]

The BNP is fascism. Despite the GOP leaning more towards fascism than the Democrats, they still aren't even near the ballpark of the BNP. So you are wrong.

The BNP is a tiny far right party whose claim to fame is winning two European Parliament seats. We care so much about those elections that the turnout barely touches 40%.

Obviously their extremist ideology is way, way beyond 99% of the Republican party, but it's worth noting that scenes in America such as a crowd of Republicans urged on by several elected Republican leaders screaming hate at muslim families outside a muslim meeting, would not be at all out of place at a BNP gathering. The only difference is that in the UK the parties are more strictly controlled, and can ban people from running for election under their party name, so the extremists have to separate off.

You are the one trying to compare the UK to America. I keep reminding you of this because you seem to forget the "America" part of your comparison between the UK and America. In America, the BNP would fit entirely under the Republican tent.

No I really don't keep forgetting the American part, but when there's a term there that could confuse the issue like conservative, it's worth pointing that out. You're completely correct about the BNP thing of course.

I just did... and have in every one of my posts. I've refuted everything you've said... successfully.

Is there a parallel thread where you've apparently done this? Because all I've seen you do here is point to the extremist BNP party being right wing supposedly meaning that the UK as a whole is far right. Which is ridiculous. Try using some specific policies of the mainstream parties if you want to refute what I've said.

[regexcellent]

Based on what I marked--and there can be no doubt that I am right wing even for Americans--the Conservative Party platform seems to largely coincide with my views.

[Ben Kenobi]

Interesting, I would not have taken Kentonio for a euroskeptic.

[kentonio]

UK test again:

Thanks.

I made more of an effort to answer as if I was a UKer

Huh? You were supposed to be taking it as if the issues were American. What does answering as a UKer mean?

But all Americans are to the right of the UK, huh?

Which no-one said ever.

[Ben Kenobi]

Based on what I marked--and there can be no doubt that I am right wing even for Americans--the Conservative Party platform seems to largely coincide with my views.

Even I scored UKIP over BNP. UK is much farther right than in the US.