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[molly bloom]

INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!

Or in your case, assumed stupid until evidence provided otherwise.

[Kidlicious]

http:// http://ww2.nationalpost.com/...t-a-culture-is

[In today’s edition of the*Post, there is a very*thoughtful and serious discussion*of whether the phenomena of “rape culture” even exists. It will no doubt receive the usual stream of invective — accusations of trivializing rape, denying that sexual assaults occur, implying that women who drank too much deserved to be raped. Hardly real criticisms in any intellectual sense, but they will come.These critics — that seems almost too kind a descriptor for them, but alas — don’t seem to understand that a denial of rape culture is not a denial that rape exists or an expression of indifference to the pain it causes its victims. The world is imperfect. Bad or disturbed people commit crimes, including rape; good, well-adjusted people don’t. My heart breaks for children killed by their guardians, and in a perfect world none ever would be, but even 100 children dead at the hands of their parents does not make Canada a child-killing culture, or anyone who’d say so a child-murder denier.Indeed, the more closely one follows the increasingly hysterical volleys of rhetorical fire back and forth on this issue, the more apparent it becomes that those who speak of a rape culture don’t understand what the word “culture” actually means. To result in a “culture,” a phenomenon must be widely accepted as the*norm. It is culturally normal in some countries for women to be virtual chattels, governed by patriarchal standards of honour; to be married against their will; to meet blame from their kinsmen and indifference or even hostility at law enforcement and court levels when reporting sexual assault; to be shunned as unmarriageable — or worse — for the “shame” of having been raped, and so forth. There we can legitimately speak of a “rape culture.”Here, where women are socially and legally equal to men, official sympathy for rape victims at every institutional level has created a climate so overwhelmingly sympathetic to female victims of sexual abuse that the emerging cultural danger is injustice to falsely alleged perpetrators. We are gripped by a baseless, but pandemic, moral panic in which significant collateral damage is beginning to pile up.Moral panic fuelled by ideology and righteous indignation quickly corrodes the critical faculties and blinds even otherwise intelligent people to objective facts. The numbers on campus rape don’t even come close to the famous “one in four” [women on campus are victims of rape or attempted rape], even taking into consideration unreported rates (i.e. multiplying reported rapes by 10, or even 100).Where did that figure come from anyway? From bowdlerized research.It began in1982, when Mary Koss, then a professor of psychology at Kent State University in Ohio, published an article on rape in which she expressed the orthodox — and remarkably misandric – feminist theory that “rape represents an extreme behavior but*one that is on a continuum with normal male behavior within the culture.”Koss undertook a survey whereby she arrived at the one-in-four figure. To get there, Koss mischaracterized responses. For example, 73% of those she characterized as rape victims said they had not been raped. And 43% of the alleged victims said they had continued to date their alleged rapists. Nevertheless, the one-in-four meme took hold. The survey was published in*Ms Magazine*in 1987 and “took the universities by storm,” producing what can rightly be termed a rape-culture industry: expensive, over-staffed rape-crisis centres, hotlines, rallies, conferences, sexual-assault procedures consultancies and inter-collegiate sexual-assault networks.You can produce any culture you like if you dumb deviancy down. If you change “against her will” to “without her consent,” as we have, that is a huge paradigm shift from what we used to think of as rape: i.e. forced sex. And if a drunk woman can’t give her consent, another moved goalpost, she is ipso facto raped.Last word to brilliant feminist (the kind I like) Camille Paglia: “The feminist obsession with rape as a symbol of male-female relations is irrational and delusional. From the perspective of the future, this period in America will look like a reign of mass psychosis, like that of the Salem witch trials … The fantastic fetishism of rape by mainstream … feminists has in the end trivialized rape, impugned women’s credibility, and reduced the sympathy we should feel for legitimate victims of violent sexual assault.”Amen to that, sister.National Postbkay@videotron.caTwitter.com/barbararkay

[molly bloom]

I don't give a **** what you think. You're obviously the angry one since you have been ****ing with me for some time. All I said was eat ****. So start eating mother ****er.

Would that be from the New Testament, par chance, Mr. Christian Convert ?

Just idly wondering....

[C0ckney]

1) Someone who cheats is presumed innocent and has the right to question his accuser. Already told you that *******. Wtf is wrong with you?

see this is the problem with just making things up and then getting angry when people don't accept your ridiculous premises. you've failed to answer any substantive point made in this thread.

2) The whole thing started with my statement that your feelings are no basis for kicking people out of college, which makes everything you've said after that make you look like an ass.

no it didn't. this is just another ridiculous assertion on your part, which i've already ridiculed. this is the internet, everyone can see who wrote what. all i can suggest is that you learn to read.

[Kidlicious]

see this is the problem with just making things up and then getting angry when people don't accept your ridiculous premises. you've failed to answer any substantive point made in this thread.



no it didn't. this is just another ridiculous assertion on your part, which i've already ridiculed. this is the internet, everyone can see who wrote what. all i can suggest is that you learn to read.

[Kidlicious]

So you're unable or unwilling to face up to the reality of hard choices? Fair enough.

How many women have been raped because feminists call anyone who tells women not to get drunk at frat parties rape apologists and say doing so is rape culture?

Sorry, a bit slow on that one.

[C0ckney]

all those women were raped because of rapists.

[notyoueither]

They also did things that made it more likely they'd run into a rapist.

[Kidlicious]

all those women were raped because of rapists.

No **** Sherlock. Also, far less college women would be date raped if none of them got drunk with frat boys. But you won't allow anybody to say that. Why?

[rah]

Yes, less college women would be date raped if they didn't get drunk with frat boys.
This does not excuse frat boys for raping college women.

[C0ckney]

kid and nye - let's have a look at this.

this is kid's statement:

How many women have been raped because feminists call anyone who tells women not to get drunk at frat parties rape apologists and say doing so is rape culture?

is clearly saying that women are raped because either a) they get drunk (the women's fault), or b) 'feminists' (some other women's fault). nowhere is the rapist mentioned. it's pretty clear that kid is just attacking his favourite target: feminists, with a thin veneer of concern for women. he's not fooling anyone.

on the subject of advice, as i said at the start of the thread, there is nothing wrong with sensible advice. however, the problem is that all too often people cross the line from giving advice to blaming the victim. a lot of time is spent talking about what the victim could or should have done, and this shifts the focus away from the attacker.

[Sava]

Yes, less college women would be date raped if they didn't get drunk with frat boys.

I don't get this. It's not cool to generalize. You are basically saying all frat boys should be treated like potential rapists... and women are to blame for being raped.

blaming the victim

[rah]

It was not my intent to imply that.
I was trying to make the point that women getting drunk does not absolve frat boys if a rape occurs.
But you are correct. I could have made the same point without using the term frat boy.
Women drinking does not absolve ANY man if a rape occurs.

[Kidlicious]

Yes, less college women would be date raped if they didn't get drunk with frat boys.
This does not excuse frat boys for raping college women.

No ****?

[Kidlicious]

kid and nye - let's have a look at this.

this is kid's statement:



is clearly saying that women are raped because either a) they get drunk (the women's fault), or b) 'feminists' (some other women's fault). nowhere is the rapist mentioned. it's pretty clear that kid is just attacking his favourite target: feminists, with a thin veneer of concern for women. he's not fooling anyone.

on the subject of advice, as i said at the start of the thread, there is nothing wrong with sensible advice. however, the problem is that all too often people cross the line from giving advice to blaming the victim. a lot of time is spent talking about what the victim could or should have done, and this shifts the focus away from the attacker.

I'm clearly not saying that rapists are not guilty of rape. Stop being an ass!

What I'm saying is that rapes can be prevented by doing more to get college women not to get drunk with frat boys.

Is the aim of feminisn to prevent rape, or what? Because they sure make a big deal about rape but seem totally incapable of decreasing it.

I don't even know why I'm talking to you after the crap you pulled in this thread though. I was responding to kentonio, not you.