I've gotten another jury summons

[Ben Kenobi]

quite rightly employed in the case of the Sacred Books ... Let the interpreter then, with all care and without neglecting any light derived from recent research, endeavor to determine the peculiar character and circumstances of the sacred writer, the age in which he lived, the sources written or oral to which he had recourse and the forms of expression he employed"

Those of the rationalistic wing ignore, and at least tacitly deny, inspiration in the theological meaning of the term, and without any doctrinal preoccupations, except some hostile to the supernatural, proceed to apply critical tests to the Scriptures, in the same manner as if they were merely human productions.

Catholic Biblical critics, while taking as postulates the plenary inspiration and the inerrancy of the sacred Writings, admit in a large measure the literary and historical conclusions reached by non-Catholic workers in this field, and maintain that these are not excluded by Catholic faith. With the exception of Abbé Loisy and his followers, no Catholic scholar has claimed autonomy or complete independence for criticism, all proceeding on the principle that it cannot validly, and may not lawfully, contradict the established dogmatic teaching of the Church.

There's substantial differences between Higher Criticism and between textual criticism as supported by the Catholic church. The doctrine of the Church takes precedence.

[rah]

Sure. Until now, it's not the point you've made as to why you're Catholic and stay with the Church.

When discussing with you I haven't said any points because I refuse to play your game. Your post her is a perfect example as to the futile nature of it.
I provided one of the reasons to another poster that I have some respect for and can expect a real discussion. Something that you've proven over and over that you can't do.

The rest of your post made no sense. Ming running cover, What?? You are quite delusional.
I originally said that it's non of your business and I stand by that. Others I'm more willing. So don't bother anymore. AND just stop saying I'm not a catholic.

[Ming]

If it might be said that monarchists are not a majority of the Church, the Church is by far the majority among monarchists.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... trying to change the bar I see... YOU WERE WRONG, and now you are trying to change the argument.

You were wrong the first time, and you haven't proved the new statement either. Just more made up BS. So test two... prove that the Church is BY FAR the majority among monarchists.

[Ben Kenobi]

prove that the Church is BY FAR the majority among monarchists.

https://archive.org/details/considerationssu00maisuoft

Why don't you just read Joseph de Maistre? I'm not the only one who's made this observation, or the observation of how closely his work approximates Burke.

[Ban Kenobi]

Tell me, what's it like being a bigot?

You don't have to be a bigot to think Mexico sucks. Lots of Mexicans have chosen to leave.

[Ben Kenobi]

You don't have to be a bigot to think Mexico sucks. Lots of Mexicans have chosen to leave.

Your argument was that Texas sucks because of Mexicans. Bigotry much?

[Ming]

https://archive.org/details/considerationssu00maisuoft

Why don't you just read Joseph de Maistre? I'm not the only one who's made this observation, or the observation of how closely his work approximates Burke.

It's an OBSERVATION... not a fact. Again, you have proved nothing. And again, you have yet to prove that MOST Catholics are monarchists... You are wrong, why don't you just actually admit it instead of trying to change the argument that you LOST.

[Ben Kenobi]

Again, you have proved nothing. And again, you have yet to prove that MOST Catholics are monarchists... You are wrong, why don't you just actually admit it instead of trying to change the argument that you LOST.

That's how science works. If two people who've never spoken to each other have made similar observations, that's significant.

[Ban Kenobi]

Your argument was that Texas sucks because of Mexicans. Bigotry much?

No, actually I said Texas doesn't suck. If you read more carefully I think you wouldn't waste so much of other people's time.

[Ming]

Significant... maybe... FACT or PROOF... NOT A CHANCE. Hell, they could both be wrong. People who have never met each other before have both come up with the same wrong conclusions in the past. Just because two people have similar thoughts doesn't mean they are right I wouldn't be surprised if somebody you didn't know was just as a much a bigot as you are... that doesn't make either of you right.

Again... prove "MOST CATHOLICS ARE MONARCHISTS"...

[Imran Siddiqui]

Jeez, Louise! Can you (Ming) stop using Mexico as an example?! Anyone who has looked into Mexican history knows that the Catholic Church was on the side of the monarchy, especially Second Mexican Empire during the Reform War and the Republic folks were against the Church and wanted to curtail its power.

[Ban Kenobi]

Jeez, Louise! Can you (Ming) stop using Mexico as an example?! Anyone who has looked into Mexican history knows that the Catholic Church was on the side of the monarchy, especially Second Mexican Empire during the Reform War and the Republic folks were against the Church and wanted to curtail its power.

If not for the Catholic church maybe Mexico wouldn't be the third world ****hole it is today.

[Ben Kenobi]

No, actually I said Texas doesn't suck. If you read more carefully I think you wouldn't waste so much of other people's time.

Would you say that Oklahoma stopped sucking when they brought in the white man?

[Ming]

Jeez, Louise! Can you (Ming) stop using Mexico as an example?! Anyone who has looked into Mexican history knows that the Catholic Church was on the side of the monarchy, especially Second Mexican Empire during the Reform War and the Republic folks were against the Church and wanted to curtail its power.

And how did that come out? No monarchy in over a century... If Ben had made a claim that Catholics before the 1900's were mostly monarchists, that would be a whole different argument... But that's not what he stated.

[Ben Kenobi]

Jeez, Louise! Can you (Ming) stop using Mexico as an example?! Anyone who has looked into Mexican history knows that the Catholic Church was on the side of the monarchy, especially Second Mexican Empire during the Reform War and the Republic folks were against the Church and wanted to curtail its power.

Aww. You're no fun, Imran. I like smacking floaters over the plate over the fence.