Now you see, this is homophobic, and it makes Christianity look bad, and I feel ashamed by association.

[molly bloom]

Even in ancient times, there were Hellenistic Jews that refused circumcision. They still considered themselves Jewish, though they were not looked on kindly by mainstream Judaism. Circumcision is a sacred symbol of God's covenant with his chosen people, and a Jew refusing circumcision is tantamount to a Christian refusing baptism.

I'm aware that for some the cultural appeal of the Seleucid Empire was very great and equally aware of the famous Jewish revolt against the Seleucids.

I'm also aware that some non-Jews found aspects of Judaism attractive, although they did not actually convert fully. I'm also aware that there is an unfortunate and persistent strain of anti-semitism in Christianity (beginning I suppose with phrases in the Gospel of John) that rears its ugly head now and again.

So I was stressing the Jewish identity of Yeshua, the charismatic Jewish rabbi and prophet, one of a long line or heritage of such teachers and foretellers, encouraging his fellow Jews to purify themselves with ritual immersion, respect for the spirit of the Law rather than rote observance of the dead letter of the law- people like Nehemiah and John The Baptist.

[molly bloom]

It was straight commission. No workee no payee. I actually made more at that job then I ever had before and it paid for my school.

Then clearly the pay and the school were both crap.

Liberals of course were the primary obstacle to getting there because of their crap tips.

Ever thought of joining a carny and signing as a mind reader ? Perhaps you'd make EVEN more money.

- they were a little higher up on the ladder.

Cleaning out sewers with your tongue ?

Liberals think like MRT does - that you are there to serve them.

So 'liberals' have told you this, en masse, as it were.

Conservatives understand that you have a job to do and tip accordingly.

Oh my, you are so unwittingly hilarious.

[Sava]

BK is so stupid. It's hard to tell if he trolls.

[MRT144]

I tip people that add value to my dining/drinking/coffee experience. A delivery drive usually doesnt do so. I have never been unkind or mean to server. Why does Ben hate free markets?

[giblets]

I tip people that add value to my dining/drinking/coffee experience. A delivery drive usually doesnt do so. I have never been unkind or mean to server. Why does Ben hate free markets?

Please explain. Don't they add value by delivering the pizza so you don't have to get off your lazy ass and pick it up yourself?

[Boris Godunov]

Please explain. Don't they add value by delivering the pizza so you don't have to get off your lazy ass and pick it up yourself?

That's their job, and they should just be compensated fairly by their employer rather than have to rely on tips from customers for their earnings.

[giblets]

That's their job, and they should just be compensated fairly by their employer rather than have to rely on tips from customers for their earnings.

I agree, I just don't get why MRT144 wouldn't tip them in a situation where people customarily do tip them.

[Boris Godunov]

I agree, I just don't get why MRT144 wouldn't tip them in a situation where people customarily do tip them.

The point being that based on his criteria for tipping, it makes sense, as delivery drivers don't add any extra value. It's their job to deliver food, and they do it. Why should he tip them for doing their job and not tip, say, the dry cleaner for doing his?

That being said, I'm always generous with tipping in such "customary" situations, chiefly for the practical reason that I don't want the restaurant in question to spit in or do other nasty things to my next order. They *do* take note and remember the cheapskates, MRT.

[-Jrabbit]

BK is so stupid. It's hard to tell if he trolls.

The 'liberals don't tip' stuff is obviously a troll.

[Nikolai]

Something I learned from this thread: It is seemingly normal to tip pizza delivery guys over the pond. Here we tip in restaurants.

[Ben Kenobi]

Then clearly the pay and the school were both crap.

Wasn't your education free?

Ever thought of joining a carny and signing as a mind reader ? Perhaps you'd make EVEN more money.

I suggest you keep your day job.

Cleaning out sewers with your tongue ?

Worked in a bindery for awhile - worked as an office assistant as well. And yes the pay was better and work conditions much better.

So 'liberals' have told you this, en masse, as it were.

MRT's attitude is pretty common among liberals.

[Al B. Sure!]

I tip people that add value to my dining/drinking/coffee experience. A delivery drive usually doesnt do so. I have never been unkind or mean to server. Why does Ben hate free markets?

Dude, pizza delivery is not only brutal to your automobile (which means you spend a ton of money maintaining it) but it is an incredibly dangerous job. Criminals often call for delivery, knowing they'll get a guy exposed where they want him and carrying a bit of cash. My mother had a friend who was some sort of professional in the Middle East but delivered pizzas in the US and he was robbed, shot, and killed delivering.

Google "Pizza delivery robbery" and you'll see a ton of recent articles all across the country of pizza delivery robberies. In the past few days, you got Detroit, Orlando, Richmond, Reading PA, Allentown PA, Little Rock, etc. It's a 'thing' criminals do like robbing convenient stores or robbing banks.

[Ben Kenobi]

Dude, pizza delivery is not only brutal to your automobile (which means you spend a ton of money maintaining it) but it is an incredibly dangerous job. Criminals often call for delivery, knowing they'll get a guy exposed where they want him and carrying a bit of cash. My mother had a friend who was some sort of professional in the Middle East but delivered pizzas in the US and he was robbed, shot, and killed delivering.

Google "Pizza delivery robbery" and you'll see a ton of recent articles all across the country of pizza delivery robberies. In the past few days, you got Detroit, Orlando, Richmond, Reading PA, Allentown PA, Little Rock, etc. It's a 'thing' criminals do like robbing convenient stores or robbing banks.

This. The drivers don't get nearly enough.

[DaShi]

Dude, pizza delivery is not only brutal to your automobile (which means you spend a ton of money maintaining it) but it is an incredibly dangerous job. Criminals often call for delivery, knowing they'll get a guy exposed where they want him and carrying a bit of cash. My mother had a friend who was some sort of professional in the Middle East but delivered pizzas in the US and he was robbed, shot, and killed delivering.

Google "Pizza delivery robbery" and you'll see a ton of recent articles all across the country of pizza delivery robberies. In the past few days, you got Detroit, Orlando, Richmond, Reading PA, Allentown PA, Little Rock, etc. It's a 'thing' criminals do like robbing convenient stores or robbing banks.

Wow! I've never considered this. We just assumed that they didn't carry any significant amounts of cash.

[Al B. Sure!]

It's one guy carrying potentially hundreds of dollars who you can call up to come wherever and whenever you want him to and his busiest time (with the most cash) is in the evening and night. It's incredibly common. The payout is not unlike what you'd get from a 7-11 but you have the benefit of no cameras, place/time of your choosing, and no one else around to intervene.

Most pizza shops don't accept deliveries from blocked number callers, though, because of this.