The Gold Plated Ambulance

[Berzerker]

Pretty sure I know better what I said to rah than someone who wasn't even in the thread. Dunno how you figure you'd convince me.

I cant convince you with your own words?

[Berzerker]

I'll quote y'all again:

Rah says

No I don't believe the doctor has the right to kill another person. I consider assisted suicides not the same thing. You lump them together so you can claim they're both evil.

You responded to

I consider assisted suicides not the same thing.

with

They are the same thing. Exactly the same thing.

[Ben Kenobi]

I cant convince you with your own words?

I notice you're conveniently misciting them. I don't have time for this, sorry Berz.

[Sava]

Murder and euthanasia are the same thing.

No. They are not. You stupid fucking idiot.

[Berzerker]

I consider assisted suicides not the same thing.

They are the same thing. Exactly the same thing.

Misciting how exactly?

[kentonio]

I notice you're conveniently misciting them. I don't have time for this, sorry Berz.

..and Poly implodes in a burst of pure irony..

[Aeson]

What if she didn't? What if she left nothing at all written down expressing her desire to die if incapacitated, and the only one saying that she wanted this is her executor?

It's a more complicated situation than if there was clear documentation. Which of course is why we should try to make it easier to document things like this so people won't be left in such difficult situations.

I find asking someone to kill you because you no longer want to live is abhorrent.

Yes, you would find a person being able to do what they want with their life abhorrent. For instance, you also find being responsible about when you father a child while still being a good husband to your wife abhorrent.

[Ben Kenobi]

No. They are not. You stupid ****ing idiot.

Perhaps you can assist Berz with understanding what I said.

[Ben Kenobi]

It's a more complicated situation than if there was clear documentation. Which of course is why we should try to make it easier to document things like this so people won't be left in such difficult situations.

Interesting. First you argue that documentation is necessary to establish consent. Here you seem to argue that documentation is not, in fact, necessary to establish consent.

Yes, you would find a person being able to do what they want with their life abhorrent.

I have a disability. I've never, not once in my life that I can remember being able to do what I want. Making a phone call - something you probably do without thinking, is a real struggle.

For instance, you also find being responsible about when you father a child while still being a good husband to your wife abhorrent.

I think living the same life as you did before you got married, condoms and all - weakens the bond. There should be a change - being married should be different than before getting married.

[Aeson]

Interesting. First you argue that documentation is necessary to establish consent. Here you seem to argue that documentation is not, in fact, necessary to establish consent.

Interesting. First you didn't understand what I said. Then you don't understand it again in a different way. Then you thought I was contradicting myself because of your inability to understand anything

I have a disability. I've never, not once in my life that I can remember being able to do what I want. Making a phone call - something you probably do without thinking, is a real struggle.

At least you can post without thinking.

I think living the same life as you did before you got married, condoms and all - weakens the bond. There should be a change - being married should be different than before getting married.

I see. So you should use condoms before marriage, but after no condoms. (Or the other way around ... to keep things special!)

[rah]

I don't see how you can go and say, "I do Catholicism right, and you do it wrong", and then when confronted turn around and say - "my faith isn't your business!" One or the other rah. Either quit waving your Catholicism around or embrace it and own the position.

This is the funniest thing I've ever heard.

I never said I do the religion thing right. (please feel free to find where I did). If you look, you'll probably find evidence that I said I'm not that good of a Catholic. But it doesn't change the fact that you don't have the moral authority to say that I'm not a Catholic. If a Catholic woman used contraceptives doesn't give you the right to say she's not a Catholic. You don't get to decide who is a Catholic. Feel free to say because of those things that the person may be a lousy Catholic, but you don't have the authority to say that they're not a Catholic. Plain and simple. And by doing what you do, you are also a lousy Catholic. Combined with your other actions that we've seen here, in my opinion, you're one of the most lousiest Catholics that I've ever known. But never once did I say you're not a Catholic. I'm allowed to my opinion but don't have the moral authority to say you not a Catholic just because you're a jerk. Call me a jerk and a lousy Catholic all you want. That you're entitled to. BUT never say that I'm not Catholic. Or at least till you're higher up in the official realm of the church where they grant you authority to do so.

And trying to equate my religious shortcomings with Priests kiddie diddling is also pretty hilarious.

You would have fit in perfectly back in Salem.

[N35t0r]

They arrested folks who tried to bring her some.

Which she was going to eat on her own?

[The Mad Monk]

I'm guessing Kant never said anything on the subject of euthanasia and he probably wasn't as stupid as you make him sound.

Immanuel Kant argues against suicide in Fundamental Principles of The Metaphysic of Morals. In accordance with the second formulation of his categorical imperative, Kant argues that, "He who contemplates suicide should ask himself whether his action can be consistent with the idea of humanity as an end in itself." Kant's theory looks at the act only, and not at its outcomes and consequences, and claims that one is ethically required to consider whether one would be willing to universalise the act: to claim everyone should behave that way. Kant argues that choosing to commit suicide entails considering oneself as a means to an end, which he rejects: a person, he says, must not be used "...merely as means, but must in all actions always be considered as an end in himself." Therefore, it is unethical to commit suicide to satisfy oneself.

That's it generally, feel free to explore further.

[Sava]

Kant was a ********. And anyone who cares about philosophers is a ********.

[The Mad Monk]

That's it generally, feel free to explore further.

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