Pope sends direct message to Ben

[Hauldren Collider]

Not acceptable homophobic language IMO.

I've seen counterglow.

[rah]

I wasn't referring to most folks, I was quoting you. Just you.

[Imran Siddiqui]

It's ok that Ben doesn't consider the "Church of England" to be truly Christian, in his most backwards Catholic viewpoint (even the Papacy has asserted Protestants are Christian). We can simply dust off the good ole' "Pope as Anti-Christ" thing.

[The Mad Monk]

To be fair, out of all the possible reasons to break away from the RC, "they won't grant our king a divorce" has to right at the bottom.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Though, declaring a King to be "Defender of the Faith" and then turning around and not granting him an annulment (which was kind of common in those days among the princely-caste) was a bit silly (Yes, I realize the Pope was scared to death of the Spanish at the time).

[Felch]

My understanding of the CoE:

Sir Humphrey Appleby: The Queen is inseparable from the Church of England.
Jim Hacker: And what about God?
Sir Humphrey Appleby: I think he is what is called an optional extra.

[Ben Kenobi]

It's ok that Ben doesn't consider the "Church of England" to be truly Christian, in his most backwards Catholic viewpoint (even the Papacy has asserted Protestants are Christian). We can simply dust off the good ole' "Pope as Anti-Christ" thing.

Last I checked, they executed dissenters too.

[Ben Kenobi]

Though, declaring a King to be "Defender of the Faith" and then turning around and not granting him an annulment (which was kind of common in those days among the princely-caste) was a bit silly (Yes, I realize the Pope was scared to death of the Spanish at the time).

As silly as founding a new cult of the Emperor? And killing people who refused to worship you? England lived through that idiocy.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Last I checked, they executed dissenters too.

*ahem* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Hus

(among many others)

[Imran Siddiqui]

As silly as founding a new cult of the Emperor? And killing people who refused to worship you? England lived through that idiocy.

And are obviously better for it. At the very least, they abandoned the damnable idea of works righteousness!

[Ben Kenobi]

*ahem* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Hus

Yes, and? So did Luther for that matter. If you were a dissenter this whole 'reformation club' didn't include you.

[Ben Kenobi]

And are obviously better for it. At the very least, they abandoned the damnable idea of works righteousness!

They owned an Empire under the Angevins. And it wasn't until after Catholic emancipation that things really took off for the Victorian era. Coincidence, I think not.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Yes, and? So did Luther for that matter. If you were a dissenter this whole 'reformation club' didn't include you.

Don't act like the Anglicans could come close to matching the bloodthirstiness of the Catholic heresy hunters.

& Luther didn't and couldn't execute anyone. He wasn't in charge of any state apparatus. I don't think his stinging insults count as an execution. Maybe to your heart?

[Ben Kenobi]

Don't act like the Anglicans could come close to matching the bloodthirstiness of the Catholic heresy hunters.

It wasn't the Anglican church that saw their heirarchy wiped out. So yes, you are correct here that the Anglicans didn't come close. They surpassed.

& Luther didn't and couldn't execute anyone.

Small comfort to the dissenters who were, that the Lutherans finally apologized for burning them at the stake.

He wasn't in charge of any state apparatus. I don't think his stinging insults count as an execution. Maybe to your heart?

And the Catholic church was in charge of a state apparatus?

[kentonio]

They owned an Empire under the Angevins. And it wasn't until after Catholic emancipation that things really took off for the Victorian era. Coincidence, I think not.

Please don't be ridiculous. If you're seriously trying to argue that Britain wasn't a major power until the 18th century, then you're a bigger dumbass than I thought.