"I don't feel special or entitled..."

[Hauldren Collider]

Bottom line: we don't always get what we want, and you're acting entitled if you're too proud to do something that isn't your very favorite thing.

[MRT144]

If elok cant get his cert (god forbid) then what. There is no reward for effort if you dont succeed at all when the stakes are a job.

I have eloks job hes shooting for and I got it without any outside investment in education. Network admins shouldnt require a specific degree, just lots of on the job apprentice training. These admin jobs are too specific for general education from place to place

[regexcellent]

I bet a lot of the people *****ing about no jobs after college could find work as a busboy or waiter in a restaurant. Or if you're willing to get your hands dirty, as a miner, roughneck, what have you.

As for reward for effort, effort counts for nothing. Results matter.

[DinoDoc]

I literally love you right now.

Liar.

[Hauldren Collider]

If elok cant get his cert (god forbid) then what. There is no reward for effort if you dont succeed at all when the stakes are a job.

I have eloks job hes shooting for and I got it without any outside investment in education. Network admins shouldnt require a specific degree, just lots of on the job apprentice training. These admin jobs are too specific for general education from place to place

I have confidence Elok can get his certification. He's a smart guy. That said, if, god forbid, he did not, then he'd have to go with Plan C. And then Plan D. Plan E might be fast food. As an example, one of my cousins has a very low intelligence. He's probably at the highest his career will ever be serving food as a waiter in a relatively fancy restaurant. This isn't the most glamorous job. It's not something that you say is your life goal during Career Day in grade school. But it's a job. It pays the bills. There's absolutely no shame in it and people who think your worth is all about the prestige of your job or how much money you make can go **** themselves. The most important thing is just to be able to support yourself. But if you're too proud to take a job like that when it's your only option, that's when I start thinking of you as acting entitled.

[DaShi]

It would be a waste for someone with the intelligence and skills to do network administration to be working at McDonalds.

[DaShi]

As someone who has screwed up his life pretty badly (though thankfully not fatally), I'm curious as to how anyone expects to sell this "to hell with you" message. Politician says, "You got a crappy degree in Puppetry, you shouldn't expect to be successful." Heckler asks, "Well, I did get a Puppetry degree, and now I have no job skills and lots of debt in a crappy economy. What do you expect me to do now that I'm stuck?" Politician answers, "Uh, starve to death to serve as a lesson to others?"

If you want to argue that indifference is warranted, that's on you, but you certainly can't expect it to sell. Especially since I'm far from the only cockup in our generation, and relatively few cockups got obviously terrible joke degrees like Puppetry.

I agree with Elok's point of view here. First, America is a land of second chances. Second, dismissing people after one or a few mistakes is a wasteful use of human resources. I could see how certain wealthy people would support it, because it would further the class divide.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Liar.

Don't make me beat you!

[giblets]

I have confidence Elok can get his certification. He's a smart guy. That said, if, god forbid, he did not, then he'd have to go with Plan C. And then Plan D. Plan E might be fast food. As an example, one of my cousins has a very low intelligence. He's probably at the highest his career will ever be serving food as a waiter in a relatively fancy restaurant. This isn't the most glamorous job. It's not something that you say is your life goal during Career Day in grade school. But it's a job. It pays the bills. There's absolutely no shame in it and people who think your worth is all about the prestige of your job or how much money you make can go **** themselves. The most important thing is just to be able to support yourself. But if you're too proud to take a job like that when it's your only option, that's when I start thinking of you as acting entitled.

Claiming you don't look down on people who are stuck in menial jobs, while also insisting they should be stuck with the meager income that job allows, is pretty convenient.

[Ben Kenobi]

I bet a lot of the people *****ing about no jobs after college could find work as a busboy or waiter in a restaurant. Or if you're willing to get your hands dirty, as a miner, roughneck, what have you.

As for reward for effort, effort counts for nothing. Results matter.

But that would mean actual work.

[Ben Kenobi]

Claiming you don't look down on people who are stuck in menial jobs, while also insisting they should be stuck with the meager income that job allows, is pretty convenient.

I'm pretty sure that someone who encompasses the entirety of job satisfaction as material compensation is a liberal.

[giblets]

Go back to whatever dimension you came from.

[Aeson]

I don't see much value in what they do, because clearly there isn't much if they are willing to be paid so little to do it.

So if a person saved your life, but didn't demand compensation, we can deduce that your life is worthless?

[Aeson]

I will also point out that no one is paying you to post here, so there's no value in your posts.

(I on the other hand am making money by posting **** on the internet. )

[Elok]

I'm taking Cisco certs to recover from previous mistakes. I am fortunate in that I can learn this stuff AND still have the resources to do it. However, it is entirely possible to get in a situation where you are really, truly, completely jodido arriba el culo. Mountains of debt, dependents, poisoned resume, take your pick, any or all. You can fall back on welfare, you can work endless dead-end half-jobs just to get by, you can do all sorts of things, but if you're in deep enough all you'll do is tread water till you die. I am (thank God) not in those straits, and hopefully never will be. I'm probably looking at work till I'm seventy-five or something, and that's bad enough that I don't care for the whole "serves you right for youthful stupidity, should have had parents who read you financial-planning books for bedtime stories" deal. But if a man is thirty-eight, deep in debt, two kids at home, no skills, no prospects--can you offer him a time machine to go with his moral lesson?