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So Imran. Are you just bored? Why do you bother with him?Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostNumbers states that they were dispossessed. Gosh. That sounds like they found favor from God because of incest!
It's a liberal translation. It's got Gender inclusive language.
The fun part is when I read the Vulgate, it includes sections that the 'conservative' New Liberal Translation excludes. One would think that a 'conservative' translation would be faithful to earlier translations.
True, it uses sources that are no longer extant. It had the original Septuagint.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.â€
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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Originally posted by Sava View PostSo Imran. Are you just bored? Why do you bother with him?“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.â€
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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The Israelites were never dispossessed of their land? What was that whole exile thing about again?
Hate to break it to you (not really), so does the NIV now.
It is. Earlier GREEK and HEBREW translations. Or, what, you think the Dead Sea Scrolls were big news because they were a later translation?
You mean the late 2nd Century Greek translation of the Hebrew Old Testament?
There is a reason why the vast majority of translations use the Masoretic Text
And the Dead Sea Scrolls dated to the BC era - the Septuagint had no idea they existed.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Never said Graham was a liberal. I said that 'the ad copy claims it's conservative.' Duh. I used to write ad copy.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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BK is like a missing filling, it sucks, it's annoying, and Imran is a tongue.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostWe have evidence in this thread showing the same people who are rude and hostile to me are also rude and hostile to Nikolai. For the exact same reason, they believe his beliefs (and my beliefs) are stupid. They are willing to apologize so that they can save face. Not because they are actually sorry but they know that this entire facade collapses unless they treat Nikolai differently from me.
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostChristianity is 'vile filth'?
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostWhere's the evidence? You said, "I was afraid to challenge", and here you are without evidence.
Or maybe I could just dig up a couple of the hundreds of examples of you making a wild statement, being called on it, then insisting you said the exact opposite like the little ***** you are, despite the original posts still existing often just a page or two earlier?
Meh, it's about as challenging as finding a racist at a Tea Party rally.
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Your unfounded arrogance is astounding. People treat Nikolai better than you because he's a nice, decent person not a dishonest, misogynistic, racist, ****wit scumbag.
Do you think for one second that if I thought that that I wouldn't just say it? Have I ever bothered to not be brutally honest about things I find vile and revolting [PROTIP: Read up].
You really want evidence that you are a compulsive liar? Hmm, I'm not sure how far back to go. Should we start with your brother telling everyone what an ******* you are
What evidence do you have that this was my brother, and not yet another DL.
you initially admitting it was him
and then doing a complete about face and furiously denying it despite him posting an answer to the 'Super Secret' personal question
Or maybe I could just dig up a couple of the hundreds of examples of you making a wild statement, being called on it, then insisting you said the exact opposite like the little ***** you are, despite the original posts still existing often just a page or two earlier?
Meh, it's about as challenging as finding a racist at a Tea Party rally.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostJesus goes on to address that sexual activity outside of marriage is sinful. Again, I see your argument, I just don't see how Matthew 19 backs you up here. Jesus is rather clear here.
That interpolation isn't in the text, Berz.
Divorce, period.
And this is significant. If polygamy were the intended ideal, wouldn't God have created more than one woman for Adam?
No, he was accusing the Israelites of sinning when they divorced their wives. Sinning when they took up another wife. Saying that both were contrary to God's ideal of marriage.
They are. If they were not made for marriage than why did God create Eve for Adam?
Only AFTER Muhammed. There's no record of them making this claim prior.
And one of them is the English! Another one of them are Norwegians. One of them is the French. Another one is the Russians. Then you have the Germans! Gosh, isn't genealogy fun? All of us are descended from Abraham!We are a biblically-based church in Nebraska untied to any denomination. We are not perfect, we are forgiven. We are a family of God's children.
Seems there were pre-Islamic people claiming to be descendants of Ishmael and his offspring.
No, it's not, Berz. In order to be married in the Church, you would have to divorce your other wives and choose one.
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If he addresses that later then he wasn't addressing it in his response to the question about easy divorce laws.
Now does Jesus condemn polygamy after talking about divorce?
Its in the question he was asked, is it okay for men to divorce their wives without cause?
He wasn't asked about divorce or sexual immorality, he was asked about dumping wives and his response was to harken back to the hard-hearted men of Moses time and how dumping wives was allowed but not how it was in the beginning
You're taking what he said about divorce to accuse the polygamous patriarchs of sin.
Thats not what he said, he was addressing divorce without cause, not divorce.
Less than ideal doesn't make it sin
God made people on the 6th day and told them to be fruitful and multiply, no mention of marriage or monogamy.
You're using God's "silence" on the subject as an indictment of polygamy.
He was criticizing them for divorcing wives without cause, you're ignoring the question he was asked.
Jesus said there are people who cant accept a monogamous marriage, he didn't accuse them of sin so Adam and Eve dont matter to their situation.
So what happened to the great nation born of Abraham and Hagar?
Seems there were pre-Islamic people claiming to be descendants of Ishmael and his offspring.
We're not debating Church practices
Hagar is called a wife of Abraham in the OT
that means he was a polygamist and it means he divorced her without cause and God didn't call it sin - he even blessed their child.
He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone’s hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward all his brothers.”Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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