Also, someone let me know if BK believes in Adam and Eve literally. I'm not reading his posts.
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Except if one looks at nature and human societies the world over, there are many different ways of propagating, forming unions and arranging society.
Let alone the fact that the myth of 'Adam & Eve' is hardly meant to be taken literally
except by really obtuse & stupid people in losing arguments.
Modern marriage and romance has more to do with Mediaeval courtly love and romances- themselves based on garbled Celtic legends and Islamic tales.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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I'm wondering if Sister Bendy of Apartheid is at all familiar with the history of the struggle to achieve racial equality in the U.S. . When black people could not be served at the same counter as white, or order from the same hatch as whites, or drink from the same fountain, use the same schools....
A big reason for it is the fact that black people tend to have children out of wedlock. It's a one way ticket into poverty. Who forces them into this? Nobody. Why do they persist in this behaviour? Maybe you can answer that question. Is it because black people are too dumb, or is it because society itself rewards this behaviour through distribution of public benefits?
In 50 years, little has changed. Black people actually had less of a difference from white folks in 1950. Of course, back then having a child out of wedlock was frowned upon. Now it's the norm. If the only 'dad' you have in your life is absent are you as likely to do as well as a family with dad in the home? No.
I teach my students this - we can complain about our racial grievances and use them as an excuse to do poorly or we can move on and be individuals and acheive because that is what we are capable.
As for 'lack of compassion', I've experienced plenty of discrimination in my life. You either let it define you or you overcome it.
the people framing and enforcing those discriminatory laws thought of themselves as law-abiding Christians.
Even the ones who strung up black men, mutilated their genitals and then set fire to their bodies- the souvenir postcards sold aftre show happy smiling family ouitings. White family outings, of course.
Which part of their firmly held Christian beliefs undeprinned those laws and acts, Sister Bendy ? Would that be the 'love they neighbour' part, the 'thou shalt not kill' part, or the ideas behind the parable of the Good Samaritan ?Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Do you read New Testament Greek ? If not, then what you're reading in a biblical text is a translation of what an author wrote. Also, Paul (or whoever) wrote specifically at a time and in a particular society- and many if not most same sex realtionships at that time were of the Hellenistic adult male-boy ephebe type. One has only to look at the famous case of the Emperor Hadrian and Antinous for instance. But I forget- you know all about the history fo same sex relationships down the ages....Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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And I'd love to hear the reply. The female children were not important enough to be mentioned. Equality at it's best.Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Anyways, the Divorce discussion interests me because Ben (and Felch) were very interested in telling me that God's rules don't change and therefore a newly revealed truth about homosexuality was impossible. But in the Jesus narrative about divorce, it seems that God's rules DID change - why? Because the people were hard of heart - ie, they weren't ready for what God wanted at that time. So which is it?
Now, Imran, you claim that 'the new revelation that sodomy was a sin', was just that, new. It's not, it's all throughout the bible. Your statement appears nowhere within. How did you come to this conclusion?Scouse Git (2) La Fayette Adam Smith Solomwi and Loinburger will not be forgotten.
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Originally posted by Sava View PostI would disagree with you on both accounts. First, the Adam and Eve story is demonstrably false. Don't take my word for it. God created this world with all its rules and laws. If you disagree with reality, take it up with him. Also, I think a very small minority of Christians actually believes in creationism.
You are a nice guy and I like you. So I'm not about to call you all sorts of names like I do BK.
Furthermore, I haven't met a single priest or bishop in the Orthodox church who believes in such things to be literally true. And I know a lot of priests. Even among their ranks, creationism isn't a popular belief. I doubt even modern Popes have suggested such a thing is true.
So you are definitely part of a fringe minority on this issue, Nikolai.
And I'll echo rah's sentiments by saying I'm not trying to be rude. But the fact is, literal creationism isn't a belief held by mainstream Christianity.
If believing in it works for you, that's okay. But you should know that doing so severely diminishes your credibility on just about every conceivable topic. This isn't my judgment alone, by the way.Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God.-Isaiah 41:10
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostIf you follow that line of reasoning to it's natural conclusion, it would suggest that having sex with family members is absolutely morally fine, but just a bad idea because of genetics.“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostThe abusers claim that 'it's got nothing to do with my beliefs'. Which usually means that it's got everything to do with my beliefs. People lie, Kentonio. They lie when they believe that not lying will make them lose face.
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostI would suspect that an outside observer would conclude that yes, the fellow not resorting to personal attacks would be considered the reasonable one.
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostGiven that the folks confronting me don't have anything to substantiate their allegation, I am challenging them to prove their case is actually relevant to this thread.
Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostSo that warrants personal attacks because, "you don't like the person"?
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui View PostWell isn't why its morally not ok (or rather why it started as being morally not ok) because of genetic abnormalities that result?
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Originally posted by kentonio View PostTo me sure, but then again I don't follow the belief that a higher power set out a firm ruleset of behavior based around his own creations. If it was morally ok, then why would a god make an otherwise acceptable practice causes genetic abnormalities?Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God.-Isaiah 41:10
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View PostNot only does Jesus argue that this was the intent of creation, but that this is how the rules have always been. Jesus states that allowing divorce was a deviation from the ideal. The rules haven't changed - just that the ideals are what they have always been - that the Old Testament is fulfilled (made complete) through the new.
3Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”
4“Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’a 5and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’b ? 6So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
7“Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
How did you come to this conclusion?
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.
And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
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Originally posted by Nikolai View PostThe obvious answer would be sin. Sin corrupts everything, that's what the Bible teaches.
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