Hammer and Sickle: As Offensive as the Swastika?

[Ben Kenobi]

As an extremely peaceful way of letting someone die. Artificially keeping braindead people alive when there is absolutely no chance of them regaining any mental functions is just sick.

She wasn't being kept alive artificially. She wasn't on artificial respiration. She could breathe just fine.

She wasn't 'hungry', her brain no longer had the ability to feel pain or process thoughts like hunger. It was nothing more than keeping a badly damaged human body alive for no reason other than to make sick ****s like you feel awesome about the 'sanctity of life'.

You're right. It had nothing to do with preserving what life she did have and treating her with dignity and respect. It wasn't our side that starved her to death - it was your side that did that. And we are the sick ****s for wanting to feed her while she's alive?

[kentonio]

She wasn't being kept alive artificially. She wasn't on artificial respiration. She could breathe just fine.

She was being fed through a tube because she was utterly incapable of feeding herself and would never have been able to do so. That means she was being artificially being kept alive.

You're right. It had nothing to do with preserving what life she did have and treating her with dignity and respect. It wasn't our side that starved her to death - it was your side that did that. And we are the sick ****s for wanting to feed her while she's alive?

Yes, you are the sick **** that thinks being a vegetable kept alive through tubes constitutes dignity or respect. Also the fact that you care more about 'sides' than you do about a families right to take care of each other.

It said everything that needed to be said that you immediately painted the husband as a sadistic evil man because you're incapable of understanding the deep emotions that go with being in a relationship. If you had ever actually experienced that, you might actually understand that letting her die was an extremely powerful act of love. if you ask people whether they'd rather die peacefully or live for years with no mind fed through tubes, you'll find very few who would chose the latter.

[kentonio]

DP

[Jon Miller]

Points about what?

I assume you're not talking about his incredibly vicious character assault on a man about whom he knows absolutely nothing?

It seems like he had moved on. Which makes sense.

If he had moved on, than he was probably not the one who should have been making decisions against the wishes of other significant people in her life (her parents).

I don't think his actions of moving on were in any way condemn worthy.

JM

[Jon Miller]

Points about what?

I assume you're not talking about his incredibly vicious character assault on a man about whom he knows absolutely nothing?

It seems like he had moved on. Which makes sense.

If he had moved on, than he was probably not the one who should have been making decisions against the wishes of other significant people in her life (her parents).

I don't think his actions of moving on were in any way condemn worthy.

JM

[Ben Kenobi]

She was being fed through a tube because she was utterly incapable of feeding herself and would never have been able to do so. That means she was being artificially being kept alive.

In the same way an infant is being kept 'artificially alive' because her parents feed her. I don't see what's artificial. Her parents were willing to feed her by hand, but again - your side decided that this couldn't happen, that Terri could not be fed. So you starved her. Well done, btw.

Yes, you are the sick **** that thinks being a vegetable kept alive through tubes constitutes dignity or respect. Also the fact that you care more about 'sides' than you do about a families right to take care of each other.

If it were about families taking care of each other - then Terri's family her parents should have been allowed to take care of her. No, it was about 'taking sides' on the euthanasia issue - which is what you've made abundantly clear. Terri was just a tool for your agenda which is why she had to die for your cause.

Like I said your side starved her. I guess that's a win for team euthanasia then.

It said everything that needed to be said that you immediately painted the husband as a sadistic evil man because you're incapable of understanding the deep emotions that go with being in a relationship. If you had ever actually experienced that, you might actually understand that letting her die was an extremely powerful act of love. if you ask people whether they'd rather die peacefully or live for years with no mind fed through tubes, you'll find very few who would chose the latter.

Yes, I do understand that feeling of love. He had moved on. He had a mistress. If he sincerely and truly loved Terri - he would have kept his vows to her. He did none of those things.

Killing someone you've thrown in the rubbish bin has absolutely nothing to do with love. It's spite. If you can't and don't want to take care of her - he's making it so that no one can.

[kentonio]

Thanks for the reminder of why I feel no sense of guilt when I call you a soulless ***** with no understanding of human emotions. You never stop racing to judge others for things you don't even begin to understand. If god was more than a myth then he would be ****ing disgusted with you.

[molly bloom]

Apparently cheating on her

Tell me, how do you cheat on a rutabaga ?

you a stellar husband

You've no idea beyond your splenetic attacks what his character was like- you're simply making character assassinations based on your own prejudice. You'd like to see him go on having to care for something that's as responsive as drywall to satisfy your bizarre notions of the sanctity of life- which seem to be based merely on length or quantity rather than quality.

If it were fiction, you'd consider the device contrived.

Hardly- I've read more literature than you.

[Jon Miller]

That is Ben's point, he had moved on. Ben might be making a character assassination, but there is no need. It is perfectly reasonable to move on, and I would encourage friends/relatives in similar situations to do so. But it still means that Ben has a point.

Since he had moved on, he shouldn't have been the primary interested person, but rather the parents.

And I agree that she had ceased to exist.

JM

[Jon Miller]

As far as the method goes, they should have given a set of drugs to cause sleep with no waking, and not starvation (some would argue that would be terrible to do even to a a headless chicken).

JM
(Note that I am even in favor of doctor assisted suicide.)

[PLATO]

End of life decisions are the most difficult thing for a family to make. The medical profession should put together some guidelines for helping families make end of life decisions. I can't imagine what I would do in that type situation. I hope that I would do the right thing. It would be the hardest decision I can imagine.

It is easy to take the point of view that she was gone and never coming back. It would probably be the hardest thing a loved one could do to act on that point of view. In the end, I think I would have made the decision to let her go...and I would hope that some Doctor would say she needed morphine to overcome any possible pain reactions...and that the night nurse would turn up the flow that night.

[molly bloom]

In the end, I think I would have made the decision to let her go...and I would hope that some Doctor would say she needed morphine to overcome any possible pain reactions...and that the night nurse would turn up the flow that night.

A friend of mine died before I could be there to witness something similar- he was doubly incontinent, his hearing had been destroyed and CMV had blinded him and was attacking his brain to the extent that he had lost all power of rational thought. Beyond increasing the suffering of his partner and the anguish of his friends, there was really precious little point in prolonging a life which had ceased to have any dignity. I had been expectig to visit him late one Friday after work, but received a telephone call telling me that there was no point using up my annual leave any more.

Not the best reason I've ever had to cancel leave.

[MRT144]

She wasn't being kept alive artificially. She wasn't on artificial respiration. She could breathe just fine.



You're right. It had nothing to do with preserving what life she did have and treating her with dignity and respect. It wasn't our side that starved her to death - it was your side that did that. And we are the sick ****s for wanting to feed her while she's alive?

It's kind of gross you're into force feeding someone who can't render consent.

[Lorizael]

End of life decisions are the most difficult thing for a family to make. The medical profession should put together some guidelines for helping families make end of life decisions.

Obamacare originally had a bit of legislation in it saying that Medicare could reimburse doctors who provide those sorts of guidelines. But then Palin started screaming about DEATH PANELS and the provision was taken out.

[PLATO]

Obamacare originally had a bit of legislation in it saying that Medicare could reimburse doctors who provide those sorts of guidelines. But then Palin started screaming about DEATH PANELS and the provision was taken out.

Reimburse them for what? Handing out a sheet of paper?