Hammer and Sickle: As Offensive as the Swastika?

[MikeH]

Yes, and my point is that Ben's nowhere near up to that level.

[Ben Kenobi]

If there is no evidence either way that you know of, how can you be so absolutely certain that you are right?

I'm not. See, this is what you guys don't understand. I'm really a skeptic. Do we have any research indicating that these books were written by another person, not Moses? Do we have any solid research identifying this person? Then I don't see why I should defend a thesis that has nothing to support it. Moses - is what the Jews claim and that's good enough for me.

[Ben Kenobi]

BULL**** you would go mad with power and start murdering non-Catholics. The Muslims would fall first.

Why don't we give that a try!

[MikeH]

I'm not. See, this is what you guys don't understand. I'm really a skeptic. Do we have any research indicating that these books were written by another person, not Moses? Do we have any solid research identifying this person? Then I don't see why I should defend a thesis that has nothing to support it. Moses - is what the Jews claim and that's good enough for me.

Such a liar. According to your own posts in this thread :

In this case the only evidence we have is what the husband said. There is no counter evidence and no supporting evidence.

You aren't prepared to accept the husband's evidence because it goes contrary to your prejudices.

In one case what someone says is good enough for you, in another case it isn't. The only difference is that in one case you choose to believe it and in another you choose not to.

[Kidlicious]

I'm not. See, this is what you guys don't understand. I'm really a skeptic. Do we have any research indicating that these books were written by another person, not Moses? Do we have any solid research identifying this person? Then I don't see why I should defend a thesis that has nothing to support it. Moses - is what the Jews claim and that's good enough for me.

No one can do anything but guess whether or not Moses actually wrote any scripture. All you do is believe that what others have guessed is the truth.

[Sava]

I always thought Ben would be more suitable as an extremist regimes mouthpiece rather than leader.

yeah BK is no leader
i don't think he would even want to be

he just wants to get cornholed by some psycho pope

[molly bloom]

For all you know she said, 'Don't leave me like a rotting turnip, to be fought over by religious bigots.'

Corrected.

which is not corroborated by her parents.

I think it would have been an odd family set-up if they'd been in the marital bedroom.

[Wezil]

I think it would have been an odd family set-up if they'd been in the marital bedroom.

That's probably the only way Ben will ever get laid.

[Ben Kenobi]

No one can do anything but guess whether or not Moses actually wrote any scripture. All you do is believe that what others have guessed is the truth.

Umm. No. We have the Jewish testimony going back about 500 years prior to Christ stating that Moses wrote the Pentateuch.

What evidence do you have that someone else wrote them? Do you even have a name for the person who really wrote these books? No? It's mere speculation. Until it goes from speculation to something concrete - we go on the evidence we do have that Moses wrote them.

[Ben Kenobi]

I think it would have been an odd family set-up if they'd been in the marital bedroom.

Point stands. Parents do not corroborate Michael's statement so it is contested.

In this case the only evidence we have is what the husband said. There is no counter evidence and no supporting evidence.

There is counter-evidence. The testimony of the parents does not corroborate with Michael's statement.

You aren't prepared to accept the husband's evidence because it goes contrary to your prejudices.

Not so. This is no different from Solomon's choice. The parents are the ones saying, let us look after our child. Michael's the one saying, "cut up the child".

In one case what someone says is good enough for you

Given the lack of corroboration I ask myself, "who benefits?" Michael benefits from Terri's estate and from killing his ex wife so that he can remarry his mistress.

[Ben Kenobi]

That's probably the only way Ben will ever get laid.

If that was meant as an insult.. that, doesn't even make any sense whatsoever. Man. Hate really does make you stupid.

[Sava]

You've got a pretty healthy victim complex going there, BK.

[molly bloom]

Umm. No. We have the Jewish testimony going back about 500 years prior to Christ stating that Moses wrote the Pentateuch.

We don't have anything of the sort. The Jewish 'evidence' that Moses wrote the texts attributed to him is like the Greek 'evidence' that Homer wrote the Iliad and the Odyssey.

Thomas Hobbes is one of the most notable writers to point out the textual anomalies and anachronisms behind the notion that 'Moses' was the author of the texts attributed to him. Quite a few Jewish writers, scholars and rabbis have done so too. Poor Sister Bendy, still playing catch up with the 17th Century and earlier.

The testimony of the parents does not corroborate with Michael's statement.

And they would know what went in private conversations between husband and wife how, exactly ? If they weren't routinely privy to the intimate discussions of their daughter and son-in-law it's mere speculation on your part.

[molly bloom]

Moses - is what the Jews claim and that's good enough for me.

Erm, some do and some don't.

I'm really a skeptic.

Must be in some sense of 'sceptic' that has so far eluded the world's English lexicographers.

[Kidlicious]

Umm. No. We have the Jewish testimony going back about 500 years prior to Christ stating that Moses wrote the Pentateuch.

What evidence do you have that someone else wrote them? Do you even have a name for the person who really wrote these books? No? It's mere speculation. Until it goes from speculation to something concrete - we go on the evidence we do have that Moses wrote them.

You don't have any evidence. You have someone saying something that they made a guess at.