Life begins at conception?

[Felch]

Do you have the right to do things that harm society because you feel like it? Like, uh, having kids you won't bother to raise properly?

If your best example of harming society is having kids then you're an idiot. How about embezzling money from the government, doesn't that harm society? How about arson, doesn't that harm society? Obviously there's no right to harm society. That's an absurd straw man.

Everybody has a right to have children. If you disagree with that then you should describe yourself as a eugenicist, not pro-choice.

[Kidlicious]

If your best example of harming society is having kids then you're an idiot. How about embezzling money from the government, doesn't that harm society? How about arson, doesn't that harm society? Obviously there's no right to harm society. That's an absurd straw man.

What about having kids that are going to do all of those things?

[giblets]

If your best example of harming society is having kids then you're an idiot. How about embezzling money from the government, doesn't that harm society? How about arson, doesn't that harm society? Obviously there's no right to harm society. That's an absurd straw man.

Everybody has a right to have children. If you disagree with that then you should describe yourself as a eugenicist, not pro-choice.

Eugenicists are people who want to identify certain individuals as having bad genes and stop them from reproducing/identify people with good genes and encourage their reproduction, not people who say you shouldn't have kids if you're not going to raise them properly. People have the right to have children AS LONG AS they don't choose to put a burden on society by not taking care of them and doing what they can to raise them to be responsible adults. And of course you don't think people have a right to harm society, that's the whole reason I brought it up since you were acting like restricting people's behavior on account of society's welfare was somehow a ridiculous proposition.

[Felch]

In other words, you're not pro-choice at all. You think that the government should decide who is allowed to have kids.

[giblets]

Nope

[Felch]

People have the right to have children AS LONG AS they don't choose to put a burden on society by not taking care of them and doing what they can to raise them to be responsible adults.

How is this pro-choice? The only way this can be implemented is if government is in control of women's bodies.

[giblets]

I didn't say implement it. Just because something is legal does not mean you have some kind of moral right to do it.

[Felch]

So government shouldn't protect society from people who seek to harm it?

[giblets]

There's a practical limit to how much the government should try to do that since government abuses of power can also harm society.

[Felch]

And of course you don't think people have a right to harm society, that's the whole reason I brought it up since you were acting like restricting people's behavior on account of society's welfare was somehow a ridiculous proposition.

Emphasis mine.

You think that government should intervene when people harm society.

You think that *******s who won't take care of their kids are causing real and undeniable harm to society.

You think that *******s who won't take care of their kids have no right to have kids.

But then you're train of logic just stops? You don't think that government should intervene anymore?

[Felch]

You see the difference between you and me is that I'm right, and you're wrong. And because you're wrong you have to constantly backpedal and hide behind euphemisms. So instead of talking about abortion you talk about "choice". As if you gave a **** about other people's choices. And when your line of reasoning leads to the conclusion that government should control who is allowed to have kids, suddenly you have some strange change of heart. As if harming society weren't something that the government should stop. Maybe if you just accepted that people have a right to live, whether they are convenient for you or not, your conscious would rest easier.

[Kidlicious]

People only have a right to life after they are born, when they can start ****ing with people.

[giblets]

Emphasis mine.

You think that government should intervene when people harm society.

You think that *******s who won't take care of their kids are causing real and undeniable harm to society.

You think that *******s who won't take care of their kids have no right to have kids.

But then you're train of logic just stops? You don't think that government should intervene anymore?

I'm afraid that your attempt at constructing a tripod of logic has failed. I've already explained why sometimes it's appropriate for the government to regulate behavior and sometimes it isn't.

[kentonio]

Shame you don't seem to give the first **** about the injustices commited against women in vastly higher numbers. It takes a special kind of man to whine about false rape convictions while not giving the slightest damn about the women who actually get raped.

You're a liar. All you do is lie. Show me in this thread where I said that rapists should serve only one year in prison for what they do?

Erm, what?

[kentonio]

What people deserve has nothing to do with it. I just wish that you weren't so patronizing and racist. Just because they're black doesn't mean that they're children. Africans are just as capable of making their own decisions as anybody else.

Aww bless, you've had to backpedal from your normal crap about personal responsibility to a desperate attempt to not sound like a massive racist. You so cute.