Abortion Thread CCLX

[kentonio]

So you agree that abortion is terrible, evil, and disgusting just like abusive priests?

JM

I'd find pictures of lots of necessary things to be pretty terrible and disgusting, however theres a big difference between throwing around pictures and actually discussing the wider implications. For the record incidentally, I do find abortion to be a terrible thing, I just find the alternatives to be much more terrible.

[loinburger]

Defecation is pretty disgusting, but that doesn't mean we should all stop defecating

[Ben Kenobi]

I just find the alternatives to be much more terrible.

The alternatives being?

[kentonio]

The alternatives being?

Women being forced to undergo a potentially life threatening and extremely traumatic mental and physical condition against their will and then being potentially forced to raise a child they never wanted would be one of those. Exacerbated of course in cases of rape, incest and underage sex. Of course in many cases they wouldn't be forced to do that because they'd just get illegal abortions anyway like women did for generations, along with the dangers that brought of far higher risk of death, sexual exploitation, blackmail and potential incarceration.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Was the change in the law recognition of what a negro always was, and what the legal system had prior to this point deprived him?

Nice try. Technically, the answer is "no" as that is a philosophical argument, and, BTW, prohibited by the ex post facto clause. (e.g. legal personhood cannot be applied retroactively)

For those "negros" who met the legal standard for personhood, i.e. they were born. "Negro" is charming word, but it was on its way out of fashion already when I was a kid. The "polite" vernacular was changing to "colored," possibly due to a lot of segregationists pronouncing the word "nigra" so you knowed what they really meant. Of course, blacks couldn't refer to themselves as "colored" as that would be uppity. Referring to themselves as black was downright seditious. The legal term (typically used on segregated facilities and in statutory law) was typically "colored" as well, as that encompasses not only "negros" but whatever other mongrel races might want to sully white restrooms and swimming pools.

Nice of you to try to conflate two totally different issues, though.

[giblets]

Surgery is gross so BAN IT.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Of course, the solution is real simple. Anyone opposed to abortion who wants to restrict a woman's right to choose should simply accept an embryonic or fetal transplant and carry to term and give birth themselves. Oh? You mean that won't work?

[Guynemer]

How about we NEVER ****ING TALK ABOUT THIS AGAIN, okay?

[MichaeltheGreat]

.... Naah. :P

[kentonio]

I thought there were only 4 potential forum topics in the world, and we just cycled thorugh them?

[loinburger]

Unfortunately, we've been reduced to 3 topics ever since Creationism vs Evolution was retired

[MichaeltheGreat]

I have a question. If a fetus isn't a human being, then what species is it, and at what point does it spontaneously change species?

"human being" is not a species, it's a legal status.

The species is Homo Sapiens, of which there is one extant subspecies, Homo Sapiens Sapiens. The species distinction applies equally to a bone of a deceases individual, a fingernail clipping, or a sperm cell. The legal status of personhood does not apply except as defined by law.

[MichaeltheGreat]

Unfortunately, we've been reduced to 3 topics ever since Creationism vs Evolution was retired

Maybe Civnation will come back so we can have a fourth topic?

[PLATO]

Women being forced to undergo a potentially life threatening and extremely traumatic mental and physical condition against their will and then being potentially forced to raise a child they never wanted would be one of those. Exacerbated of course in cases of rape, incest and underage sex. Of course in many cases they wouldn't be forced to do that because they'd just get illegal abortions anyway like women did for generations, along with the dangers that brought of far higher risk of death, sexual exploitation, blackmail and potential incarceration.

Only if it was a failure of birth control or unwanted sex...other than that...Good post (would have been perfect except for the dramatisation of the physical risk, which while correct is not usually an issue. )

[MichaeltheGreat]

Physical risk comes into play if (as some propose) an absolute ban, even in ectopic or other medically contraindicated pregnancies.