3-D Printing your next Organ

[Sava]

Hence the term - "for which the life of the child cannot also be saved" through emergency c-section.

Death rates from c-sections are higher than natural birth. Who should decide how to handle a high risk pregnancy? Doctors or the pope?

You failed to address the specific issues of rape and incest... and the conflicting information regarding the sanctity of a fetus's life when a woman is to be punished for adultery. Please do so. You can reread my earlier posts if you didn't understand the question the first time.

Also, is incest forbidden? Why?

Is rape forbidden? Why?

[PLATO]

If you believe an embyro is a person - this is horrifying. You are killing people.



Yeah, as a deaf person, I'd love to be able to fix my own ears. But not at the cost of a life of another person.

There is a way to do this that is a better way - use adult stem cells.



This is the exact same argument that we had many, many times before. It's wrong to kill people, and it's especially wrong to kill people that we regard as worthless or surplus.



Oh, bull****. I've offered a viable alternative to the use of embryonic cells.

So what's your point? You do have a great talent for using a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. You got a Doctorate in Biology? If not, then you are simply arguing a religious point. Unless you have the video of you and God at the burning bush, then why do you think that you are anymore of an expert on religion than you are on Biology?

Quite frankly, I feel you must know the answer in your heart that is clear to everyone else. So sorry for you (even though I know you will just HAVE to respond to this...its okay, we understand. Perhaps science will be able to help you one day. It certainly appears that prayer isn't.)

[BlackCat]

Again, what is permissible for God is not permissible for men.

That doesn't make sense - haven't god given humans this world to do with as they want ?

[MrFun]

I asked a simple question. Would you be OK with it?

Sava's post was very on-point and honest.

HC's post was evasive.

Since when do inane, stupid questions deserve the respect of a serious answer?

[MrFun]

Get a grip Morons! This is an incredible scientific advance and you guys want to turn it into a religion/abortion debate?

Surely they are worthy topics to debate, but just looking at the science here...this is an incredible accomplishment with vast implications for helping huge numbers of suffering and dying people.

I agree. DanS and BK shouldn't have tried to turn this into an abortion thread.

[Ben Kenobi]

That doesn't make sense - haven't god given humans this world to do with as they want ?

This world!= each other.

[Ben Kenobi]

I agree. DanS and BK shouldn't have tried to turn this into an abortion thread.

Tough titties. First post mentions embryonic stem cells. Objection to the use of Embryonic stem cells is on-topic.

[BlackCat]

This world!= each other.

Why not ? God allows slaves

[Ben Kenobi]

So what's your point?

That the only actual successes with this sort of therapy have come about through adult stem cells.

You got a Doctorate in Biology?

Nope, but I did stay at a holiday inn express last night.

If not, then you are simply arguing a religious point.

Terrible argument.

Unless you have the video of you and God at the burning bush, then why do you think that you are anymore of an expert on religion than you are on Biology?

I don't see why the entry barrier to opposition to embryonic stem cell use in this thread should be 'has a doctorate in biology', while entry to this thread in support of your views is "has a penis".

Quite frankly, I feel you must know the answer in your heart that is clear to everyone else.

And you presume to speak for me. Lots have done that over the years.

[Ben Kenobi]

Why not ? God allows slaves

In the same sense that God permits shagging sheep in that he doesn't instantly kill you afterwards?

[Ben Kenobi]

Death rates from c-sections are higher than natural birth.

But lower than Abortion. You're assuming one person is involved, not two. Abortion always kills one person. Ergo, we have an obligation to try to save both rather than kill one.

Who should decide how to handle a high risk pregnancy? Doctors or the pope?

Lawyers like Rick Santorum. The unborn child has a natural right to life, the same as anyone else.

You failed to address the specific issues of rape and incest

Child conceived in rape has the same value as a child conceived not in rape. Ergo - there's no reason for us to kill children conceived in rape and keep only children conceived outside of rape. Gosh this same principle works for incest too.

and the conflicting information regarding the sanctity of a fetus's life when a woman is to be punished for adultery.

And what passage is that?

You can reread my earlier posts if you didn't understand the question the first time.

This was an enjoyable debate until you decided to get patronizing. Yawn.

[BlackCat]

In the same sense that God permits shagging sheep in that he doesn't instantly kill you afterwards?

Well, then god really don't have a problem with abortions - god have never killed anyone having a such.

Same goes for any kind of stem cell research.

[Ben Kenobi]

Well, then god really don't have a problem with abortions - god have never killed anyone having a such.

Just because God permits men to sin (there's that whole free will thing again!), doesn't mean that he approves of sin.

[BlackCat]

Just because God permits men to sin (there's that whole free will thing again!), doesn't mean that he approves of sin.

Up until now he has beem very lenient - he has actually allowed everything.

[MichaeltheGreat]

"Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you?"

"Before" formed in the womb? i.e. prior to conception. Written in a primitive worldview where every act was pre-ordained by fate.