Remembering homeless people in winter

[kentonio]

Wouldn't you? Or are you some secret BNP thug?

There's usually a reason why countries that have vast numbers of refugees flooding across their borders try and close their borders. How exactly are they supposed to feed, house and support those people plus their existing populations? Mass migration in a world with our population is a recipe for famine, disease and war.

[giblets]

So you think that arctic regions can maintain the same biomass as tropical regions? You think that the arctic climate could support the same elephant population as the tropical savannah? You think elephants had plenty of time to adapt to elephant guns? Listen to yourself.

You think the distribution of elephants and woolly mammoths necessarily matches the distribution of biomass exactly? You think elephant guns didn't cause elephant populations to plummet before restrictions on hunting elephants were imposed?

[Felch]

Only because of bigots like you.

[giblets]

And many ways it can help them. But depending on the way that it causes harm, solutions can be found. If you have a drought problem, switch to drought resistant crops. If you have a heat problem, same thing. If your problem is that your farmland is underwater, start aquaculture. Problems are not the end of the world, people just need to be flexible enough to adapt. I mean, if elephants can adapt to elephant guns, then people can adapt to a little warmth.

No one thinks humans are going extinct or the world will end. The problem, even if you think a warmer world has slightly more productive potential overall, is that adaptation is costly. This is not a sensible argument against setting a price on carbon emissions.

[Felch]

You think the distribution of elephants and woolly mammoths necessarily matches the distribution of biomass exactly? You think elephant guns didn't cause elephant populations to plummet before restrictions on hunting elephants were imposed?

I think that plant eaters need plants to eat, and more plants allows for more plant eaters. I'm confused as to why you think differently.

You're absolutely right that elephant guns tore a swath through the African elephant population. But the only reason they could do that was because there were African elephants to tear a swath through. What specific adaptations had they made that made them invulnerable to human hunting methods up until the 19th century. Why were the mammoths killed off and not the elephants? Were mammoths so much weaker that sticks and stones could kill them, while iron and bronze were no match for African elephants? Maybe that's the case, and if it is, could it be that the richer flora of Africa sustained the elephants through this adaptation process? Thicker skin would require more resources.

[kentonio]

Only because of bigots like you.

You think it's bigoted for a country to not be able to deal with hundreds of thousands, or even millions of hungry, starving people flooding across their borders? You think the US would be able to easily deal with most of Mexico crossing the border, not over decades but years or even months?

[Felch]

No one thinks humans are going extinct or the world will end. The problem, even if you think a warmer world has slightly more productive potential overall, is that adaptation is costly. This is not a sensible argument against setting a price on carbon emissions.

Is the adaptation costlier than prevention? That's the question that has to be asked. If you disagree with me, fine. But please consider the possibility that adaptation may be the more cost effective solution.

[Felch]

You think it's bigoted for a country to not be able to deal with hundreds of thousands, or even millions of hungry, starving people flooding across their borders? You think the US would be able to easily deal with most of Mexico crossing the border, not over decades but years or even months?

We could easily deal with it, and the biggest problem we'd face would be bigots like you.

[giblets]

I think that plant eaters need plants to eat, and more plants allows for more plant eaters. I'm confused as to why you think differently.

This isn't strong evidence that the tundra should have fewer elephant-type creatures per square mile than the African savannahs or jungles.

You're absolutely right that elephant guns tore a swath through the African elephant population. But the only reason they could do that was because there were African elephants to tear a swath through. What specific adaptations had they made that made them invulnerable to human hunting methods up until the 19th century. Why were the mammoths killed off and not the elephants? Were mammoths so much weaker that sticks and stones could kill them, while iron and bronze were no match for African elephants? Maybe that's the case, and if it is, could it be that the richer flora of Africa sustained the elephants through this adaptation process? Thicker skin would require more resources.

Animals that aren't used to being hunted can be surprisingly stupid. It wasn't hard for humans to hunt dodo birds. Behavioral adaptations can matter more than physical adaptations.

[kentonio]

We could easily deal with it, and the biggest problem we'd face would be bigots like you.

You're an idiot. I'm all for immigration, but mass migration of huge parts of the world population is an absolute disaster scenario and only a complete pillock would think it was a good thing. You enjoy your improve growing seasons though while you cheer on climate change which could well kill hundreds of millions of people.

[giblets]

Is the adaptation costlier than prevention? That's the question that has to be asked. If you disagree with me, fine. But please consider the possibility that adaptation may be the more cost effective solution.

The whole point in a carbon price is that it encourages people to engage in prevention in cases where it is relatively inexpensive to do so. I'm not suggesting we should stop burning fossil fuels altogether.

[Felch]

This isn't strong evidence that the tundra should have fewer elephant-type creatures per square mile than the African savannahs or jungles.

Well, we don't have any census records of animals that were extinct before writing began, so I guess there's no point discussing it.

Animals that aren't used to being hunted can be surprisingly stupid. It wasn't hard for humans to hunt dodo birds. Behavioral adaptations can matter more than physical adaptations.

Humans hunted dodo birds with guns. And they weren't giant tusked behemoths.

[Felch]

The whole point in a carbon price is that it encourages people to engage in prevention in cases where it is relatively inexpensive to do so. I'm not suggesting we should stop burning fossil fuels altogether.

If carbon taxes were put aside in a fund to pay for resettlement of affected people, I'd support them. But I think it's more likely they'll go into general funds, to pay for whatever retarded **** the government gets involved in next.

[Ben Kenobi]

Why should I be surprised, you base your views on everything else based on whatever random crap you've made up in your head, so why should this be any different. Go back to telling yourself what a great Christian, historian, teacher and all round human being you are, while the grown ups talk.

So you address the charge of self-promotion by admitting you are actually promoting yourself? You're not very good at this, are you?

[kentonio]

So you address the charge of self-promotion by admitting you are actually promoting yourself? You're not very good at this, are you?

Promoting myself to adult? Yeah, guilty as charged. Hush now child.