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    Originally posted by HP
    Women Priests Movement Endorsed By National Catholic Reporter

    In an editorial published Monday morning, a prominent Catholic newspaper endorsed the controversial movement to ordain women priests.

    Calling the priesthood a "gift from God ... rooted in baptism," the National Catholic Reporter says that "barring women from ordination to the priesthood is an injustice that cannot be allowed to stand."

    The Kansas City, Mo.-based newspaper's editorial pits it directly against the Vatican, where church leadership has strongly rejected any possibility of women being ordained, even as a small pro-ordination movement has grown and independently ordained several women in recent years.

    The editorial comes weeks after the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith's laicization and excommunication of Roy Bourgeois, a former American priest and peace activist who was a member of the Maryknoll Fathers and Brothers and an outspoken supporter of the women's ordination movement in the U.S., was made public. In a high-profile Mass in 2008 in Lexington, Ky., Bourgeois claimed to ordain a woman into the Roman Catholic priesthood. His religious order later said that he was part of an "invalid ordination of a woman and a simulated Mass."

    Denis Coday, the editor of the newspaper, said it supports Bourgeois and women's ordination activists, several of whom were shortly detained in Vatican City in October after attempting to march on the Vatican to protest its policy against ordaining women. The editorial argues that "exclusion of women from the priesthood has no strong basis in scripture or any other compelling rationale."

    "In the late 1980s and early '90s, there was increased talk in church circles -- even at the bishops' conference level -- to reexamine the ban on ordaining women. At the same time, there was increasing Vatican pressure to stop such talk," said Coday. "The Vatican pressure to squelch even discussion of this issue culminated with Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, which tried to put the stamp of infallibility on this teaching," he said, referring to a 1994 apostolic letter by Pope John Paul II that said the church "has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women."

    "Despite the Vatican's best efforts to suppress discussion of this issue, Catholics have discussed it and studied it and they have found the church's rationale unsatisfying," Coday said. "What the editorial says is that the Catholic faithful -- laypeople, theologians and perhaps even some bishops -- have studied and prayed over this issue and they have come to the conclusion that the ban on women priests must be lifted."

    While the National Catholic Reporter, which has 33,000 print subscribers and a wider online reach, is known as a liberal newspaper, this is the first time it has directly challenged the Vatican and supported women's ordination in an editorial. The newspaper, which HuffPost Religion partners with to publish some of its articles, is run by lay people and not priests. Its staff does not report to the Vatican and is unlikely to suffer repercussions from church authorities for its position.

    Previously, the newspaper has written that Pope John Paul II's statement that women can not be ordained is not "infallible teaching," which would mean the position could be challenged. On another issue, the newspaper has also come out supporting Catholics who are in favor of same-sex marriage legalization.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/1...usaolp00000003

    Could the Catholic church be moving towards entering the 20th century?!

    Any Catholics here got a position on this?

  • #2
    Kansas City, not Kansas.

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    • #3
      Kansas based Catholic newspaper
      They ain't Catholic, (and never were).



      These folks were excommunicated back in 1968.
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      • #4
        I'm against it. The chief value of religion to me is that it is consistent through history. We pray the same prayers and receive the same sacraments that our ancestors did for nearly two thousand years. I prefer the Tridentine Mass to the vernacular, and I can't stand priests who try to incorporate modern music and horse****. Whenever a church tries to be modern, it comes across like a sitcom parent trying to rap.

        Yo, I'm your mother and I'm here to say, you need to clean your room in a major way.

        Religious women should be nuns, and nuns are supposed to beat children over their knuckles with rulers. Sicut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper, et in saecula saeculorum.
        John Brown did nothing wrong.

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        • #5
          Now if this were the National Catholic Register, it would be news. Funny how HuffPo makes no mention they were excommunicated > 40 years previous. Sure makes sure to use the word 'Catholic' though.
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          • #6
            I imagine this same paper also supported the LCWR, or the WRLC, or whatever-the-hell acronym those heretic nuns used. And the Vatican will give them the same reaction: yawn, shrug. Then the newspaper and most of its readers will go on to become ex-Catholics--either atheists, or perhaps some Mainline Protestant denomination--and the Catholic church, at around the same time, will start to appeal to conservatives who are ditching the MPs. Or maybe the disaffected MPs will come to us. In any case, there's simply no way, AFAICT, that women will become priests in the RCC anytime soon. Perhaps not even within our lifetimes.
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            • #7
              If it's not your religion you shouldn't care whether women can be priests. Women can be priests at all sorts of other churches with different beliefs. The catholic church has every right, and arguably a responsibility to its followers, not to let women be priests.

              Semi-related: Any time you get the "we can do everything men can do" spiel from a woman, ask her to open a pickle jar.

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              • #8
                The only reason we have celibate priests is to save money.
                Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                  If it's not your religion you shouldn't care whether women can be priests. Women can be priests at all sorts of other churches with different beliefs. The catholic church has every right, and arguably a responsibility to its followers, not to let women be priests.

                  Semi-related: Any time you get the "we can do everything men can do" spiel from a woman, ask her to open a pickle jar.
                  ...and then tell her to go in the kitchen and make you a sammich!
                  No, I did not steal that from somebody on Something Awful.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The Mad Monk View Post
                    ...and then tell her to go in the kitchen and make you a sammich!
                    How is she going to do that if she can't open the pickle jar?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                      If it's not your religion you shouldn't care whether women can be priests. Women can be priests at all sorts of other churches with different beliefs. The catholic church has every right, and arguably a responsibility to its followers, not to let women be priests.

                      Semi-related: Any time you get the "we can do everything men can do" spiel from a woman, ask her to open a pickle jar.
                      It's not my problem if the Roman Catholic church is bigoted, but it certainly doesn't reflect well on people who would participate in such an organization.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Felch View Post
                        Religious women should be nuns, and nuns are supposed to beat children over their knuckles with rulers. Sicut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper, et in saecula saeculorum.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                          Only God can say if they are Catholic or not.
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                          • #14
                            They're Catholic, just not Roman Catholic.
                            "I say shoot'em all and let God sort it out in the end!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Felch View Post
                              I'm against it. The chief value of religion to me is that it is consistent through history. We pray the same prayers and receive the same sacraments that our ancestors did for nearly two thousand years. I prefer the Tridentine Mass to the vernacular, and I can't stand priests who try to incorporate modern music and horse****. Whenever a church tries to be modern, it comes across like a sitcom parent trying to rap.

                              Yo, I'm your mother and I'm here to say, you need to clean your room in a major way.

                              Religious women should be nuns, and nuns are supposed to beat children over their knuckles with rulers. Sicut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper, et in saecula saeculorum.
                              Adapt or die!
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