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Originally posted by regexcellent View PostGeorge W. Bush was a cheerleader.“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
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Holly Petraeus has probably been overweight for decades. You don't just get out of shape overnight. Also there is nothing wrong with wanting to be youthful and vibrant. Too me It's like that twilight zone episode kick the can. I notice that people stop doing things that kept them young. Stop going out. Stop playing sports. stop playing in general. Next thing you know all they do is sit around. On the porch. In the living roll. Lethargy sets in and you're all of sudden very very old.What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
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Take my parents for example. My dad is pushing 70, farm work most of his life. Looks a lot like his dad at 70, also farm work all his life. Usually hard, physically demanding work. And yah, that time, that stress, and their genetics ... they put on weight. Much of it was muscle of course, but as he's aged it's not so much. The weight isn't due to inactivity. The change in his body type isn't either.
My dad is still working. He doesn't do 16 hour days during harvest anymore, but he still puts in more time than most will. On his time off he goes hiking up in the mountains, or builds things like a pergola, sun room, new porch or new cement pad to spruce up the house he built with his own two hands on his "days off" when he was younger. (Like, his late 40's.) Other things he did on those days off were taking our scout troop on camping trips, or other volunteer work for his church, friends, or neighbors. Now he takes care of his own garden and goes on his LDS Mission to help Native Americans on reservations fix up their gardens. Between his job and 9 kids, plus the volunteer work, he may never have actually had a day off since he was in college.
I take after my mom. She was rail thin well into her 30's, and is still on the thin side of average in her late 50's. She's active, but never has worked out as far as I know. She's a house-wife who had 6 kids and volunteers at her church and goes hiking with my dad sometimes.
I've never been over 180lbs (at 6'1") and usually 170lbs or so. I can sit around eating nothing but donuts, pudding, and bacon while playing video games for years on end and not gain a pound. (I've actually done this.) My brothers who look more like my dad tend to gain weight even when active. My brothers who look more like my mom don't, even when not active.
Then there's the old couple who lives nearby here. I don't know how old they are, I'd guess in their 60's, they look older than that but it's a hard life. They don't have anyone to support them. He still works his rice fields. Today when I went out to the farm, I crossed the rice fields as usual, and he's out there knee-thigh deep in mud with his carabao, harrowing the mud to get it ready for planting. It's in the 90's, 95% humidity or more, and scorching sun. And he'll be out there all day. I couldn't do that work on my best days, and he's 60. Not many Americans could do that work. I end up with a fever after about 3-4 hours of work in that kind of heat/humidity.
He and his wife will do much, if not all of the planting and harvesting of their fields. If I get up at at 5am and go out to the farm, he's already out there taking care of his carabao. If it's after sundown when I head back, he's still out there. They don't have water to their house. If they want it, they pitch it from a well that might be a couple hundred yards away. No washing machine, it's all done by hand. If they want viand to go with their rice, they grow it or gather it. She's always out plucking herbs and vegetables out of the brush, or helping to move the carabao.
With all that hard work, every day of their life, and a diet that probably isn't sufficient much of the time, they still have put on weight from when they were younger. That's just the body's natural reaction to stress and time.
When you look at Holly Petraeus, you see someone who's "let themself go". You imagine a lifestyle for her to attribute this too. I don't know what her lifestyle has been, neither do you. You're obviously ignorant of the wide range of possibilities as to why she looks like a normal 60 year old. You're obviously delusional about what an active 60 year old is usually going to look like.
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looks like she stopped changing her hairstyle in 1977Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..
Look, I just don't anymore, okay?
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Originally posted by Aeson View PostYah, time passing probably has nothing to do with aging
Furthermore, we judge people on how they look all the time. That means you as well. I am more biased against overweight people partially bee when I see people eating to excess it disgusts me.
Once again, I know the effects of aging, I put on about 30 lbs from age 27 to 41. I took off about 30 lbs from 41 to 42. I am saying from personal experience that the lbs accumulate over the course of time if you don't watch it.
After losing all that weight, I look and feel younger, stronger and more energetic. BTW, before I lost the weight, I still looked young, and energy and strength were not an issue in my life. Still I feel great because I changed my lifestyle.
My father 72 years old. Was constantly getting sick and etc a few years back. The medicine was NOT working. We all attributed to age and thought he would die soon. My dad started exercising and of course, he is not as strong as when he was 40 years old but he stopped getting sick and it appears that he has a new lease on life. I am a proponent of good living through exercise and diet. I do not believe that **** is random and we can't control our destiny or our bodies. Death is inevitable but we can eat and live a life that will keep it and fat at bay for as long as possible.What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
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Also there are 60 year old people that are not movie stars and etc that are in damn good shape. I come into contact with them all the time. So once again age is not an excuse.What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation
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freaks like PetraeusAny views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..
Look, I just don't anymore, okay?
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Originally posted by Pax View PostOf course people age. Age is A factor. Not the ONLY factor.
I am only speculating on her lifestyle. I realize that. ... That's me judging her solely based on how she looks.
Furthermore, we judge people on how they look all the time. That means you as well.
In this case you are assuming a lifestyle in your ignorance and arguing against the only obvious and factual factors. Then you compare her to supermodels and actresses. That is why your entire line of argument is superficial, delusional, and displays ignorance just for the sake of being derogatory.
When I judge Holly's look, I note that age is obviously a factor, I note that I don't know anything else about her. I'm not trying to make up a lifestyle to attribute to her based on the way she looks. I am sticking to verifiable facts.
My method of judgment is far superior to the one you are using.
I am more biased against overweight people partially bee when I see people eating to excess it disgusts me.
If you really believe that a person shouldn't neglect their mental fitness, you need to take a hard look at your reasoning here so that maybe you can learn why you are behaving so ignorantly. Then work on bettering yourself. Because the disgusting thing in this thread isn't how Holly looks, but your stereotyping of people you don't know based on displayed, admitted, and willful ignorance.
Once again, I know the effects of aging, I put on about 30 lbs from age 27 to 41. I took off about 30 lbs from 41 to 42. I am saying from personal experience that the lbs accumulate over the course of time if you don't watch it.
You haven't given birth. You aren't yet 60. You aren't Holly's identical twin. Those are obvious ones you aren't accounting for.
Weight naturally accumulates over time based on many factors. Genetics are a huge one. Stress is another. No one is saying diet and exercise aren't factors, they just aren't such overwhelming ones that assumptions like you are making are not ignorant.
My father 72 years old. Was constantly getting sick and etc a few years back. The medicine was NOT working. We all attributed to age and thought he would die soon. My dad started exercising and of course, he is not as strong as when he was 40 years old but he stopped getting sick and it appears that he has a new lease on life.
My dad developed a lung disease since he was in his 30's. Essentially has had pneumonia for 40 years. Never smoked ... just bad luck that a specific fungus that doesn't affect most people affects him. That's why he had to leave his good job in Washington (pass up full time at most of the good jobs available in his field) and move to Utah. That meant he had to work harder, take on extra consulting jobs, to earn the same money. More stress from work and physical ailments completely outside his control. A lot more travel. It's an obvious factor in his weight gain. You'd look at him though and assume he's lazy, gluttonous and disgusting even though he's definitely not. He's not obese by any means, but neither is Holly. You're just a delusional, superficial *******.
I am a proponent of good living through exercise and diet.
I do not believe that **** is random and we can't control our destiny or our bodies. Death is inevitable but we can eat and live a life that will keep it and fat at bay for as long as possible.
If they aren't independently wealthy, they'll probably have a lot of stress regarding finances, and that also takes it's toll.
There are some things in our control, but most people will never look like a supermodel no matter how hard they try.
Also there are 60 year old people that are not movie stars and etc that are in damn good shape.
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Sorry, it took so long to respond. I just got back from the gym. The key here is that you look at Holly Petraeus and you assume that it is her age and giving birth to children that makes her look the way she does. I look at her and assume that she is not working out and not eating well. Also some of your arguments regarding being wealthy, sunlight and lung cancer do not apply to Holly Petraeus. Also I'm not thinking she should look like a supermodel. Also, I'm not talking about her wrinkles or grey hair. Just her weight.
Once again, I do not think that Holly Petraeus woke up at 60 and was out of shape. Here are two links to ideal body weight that includes age and height. Just eyeballing but I think Ms. Petraeus is out of range.
This free ideal weight calculator estimates ideal healthy bodyweight based on age, gender, and height based on several popular formulas.
Honestly, this is my opinion on being overweight. Weight is something that can be controlled.
This is my opinion on aging. Aging is something that cannot be controlled.
Therefore even though we can't control aging, we can control to an extent our weight and health.
Feel Free to disagree. JackassWhat can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
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Neither do I. However, it's a proven fact that people make voting and hiring choices based on appearance.What can make a nigga wanna fight a whole night club/Figure that he ought to maybe be a pimp simply 'cause he don't like love/What can make a nigga wanna achy, break all rules/In a book when it took a lot to get you hooked up to this volume/
What can make a nigga wanna loose all faith in/Anything that he can't feel through his chest wit sensation
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[QUOTE=Pax;6176583]The key here is that you look at Holly Petraeus and you assume that it is her age and giving birth to children that makes her look the way she does.[quote]
No. You can't even grasp simple concepts, can you? I look at Holly Petraeus and see a normal looking 60 year old. I know that she is ~60 years old. I know being 60 years old is going to factor into how someone works. I can thus deduce that the fact that she is 60 years old has something to do with how she looks. I do not overstep that to assume anything about other factors at work, because I don't know what else is going on in her life.
That isn't an assumption. It's accepting the obvious fact that age influences how someone looks, and that we know her age.
I look at her and assume that she is not working out and not eating well.
Also I'm not thinking she should look like a supermodel.
Just eyeballing but I think Ms. Petraeus is out of range.
Honestly, this is my opinion on being overweight. Weight is something that can be controlled.
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Aeson,
Bottom line. I have an opinion
Ernestine Shepherd is the world's oldest competitive female body-builder. But the grandma from Baltimore says "age is nothing but a number".
These are everyday 60 year old women. I have an opinion and I have a reason for it. You may not agree. But it does not make me a jerk or shallow because I believe that a person can age gracefully vice looking like time is kicking their ass.
This a 27 year old female before and after pic that shows what can be done and to make my point that people get overweight before 60.
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Here are some 20 and 30 something women. This is where it starts. Not at 60.
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