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  • Originally posted by Barnabas View Post
    A question

    I don't understand how the price of gas is a political issue people take into consideration when voting. It is the price of a commodity, like the price of soy, copper or wheat.
    It's mostly because Americans are stupid. No, really, they're drooling idiots who can barely walk and chew gum at the same time. Hold up a shiny object and you'll distract at least half of them. Your average crow or raven has a longer attention span.
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      There's nothing wrong with the dream, my friend, the problem lies with the dreamer.

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      • Originally posted by MRT144 View Post
        Really? 30K cash is better than 30k benefits, if you disagree you're an idiot for not taking the optimal path.
        What's funny is that this is obviously true, and yet many people would rather have the latter than the former. If you tell someone, "you can have 30k benefits or 30k cash", they'll pick cash, but if you say "you can have 30k cash or "free" healthcare, dental, etc" then they'll often go for the latter if they are fuzzy thinkers.*

        *This is according to my dad, who works in employee benefits
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        • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
          What's funny is that this is obviously true, and yet many people would rather have the latter than the former. If you tell someone, "you can have 30k benefits or 30k cash", they'll pick cash, but if you say "you can have 30k cash or "free" healthcare, dental, etc" then they'll often go for the latter if they are fuzzy thinkers.*

          *This is according to my dad, who works in employee benefits
          I'd say that some things like dental and healthcare would be wholly contingent on how much comparable benefits cost out of pocket.

          If the question is, would you like 1000k more per year or a year full of dental and medical, where the comparable out of pocket is like 2500k for an individual plan, it'd be a more difficult question.

          But let's just look at 30k in government benefits.

          Wow, you can live in section 8 housing!
          Wow, you can get food stamps that you can't use at good places to eat
          Wow, you have no discretionary income for cool things like Borderlands 2
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          • **** Borderlands 2, man.

            Hell is other people.
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            • Section 8 housing is horrible. It's a tool used by HUD to destroy neighborhoods, like urban renewal before it.

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              • Originally posted by Guynemer View Post
                Hell is other people.
                QFT

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                • Originally posted by regexcellent View Post
                  Section 8 housing is horrible. It's a tool used by HUD to destroy neighborhoods, like urban renewal before it.
                  That's nothing like Section 8 in Philly. We have a housing voucher program here.
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                  • Originally posted by MRT144 View Post
                    I'd say that some things like dental and healthcare would be wholly contingent on how much comparable benefits cost out of pocket.

                    If the question is, would you like 1000k more per year or a year full of dental and medical, where the comparable out of pocket is like 2500k for an individual plan, it'd be a more difficult question.
                    Most of the difficulty comes from things like tax exemptions for certain benefits, which exist primarily because the government paternalistically believes that we need certain things and tries to encourage or almost force us to buy them.

                    Which leads to the problems you describe here:
                    But let's just look at 30k in government benefits.

                    Wow, you can live in section 8 housing!
                    Wow, you can get food stamps that you can't use at good places to eat
                    Wow, you have no discretionary income for cool things like Borderlands 2
                    Welfare would be much better, as would every employee's paycheck, if we didn't have government incentives on what to buy. I'm of the opinion that welfare should just be a monthly sum of cash as opposed to trying to anticipate every need of poor people and give them corresponding stamps.

                    So I think we probably agree here.
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                    • I'm of the opinion that welfare should just be a monthly sum of cash as opposed to trying to anticipate every need of poor people and give them corresponding stamps.
                      The problem is most people (especially poor people, for various obvious reasons) are really really really dumb and incapable of running their lives (usually why they are poor to begin with!). Please refrain from your kneejerk paternalism responses. Who cares if it's paternalism? People are ****ing stupid.

                      Ideals are one thing. I am pro-life. I wish there were no abortions and I think one day we will view abortions as we do infanticide. But it seems like a necessary evil even though birth control is so cheap, abundant, and easy to use that there's really no excuse for unwanted pregnancies!

                      You ever talk to someone who works at Planned Parenthood? They say it's often the same people they see every few months come in for an abortion. They teach them about contraception but the people aren't interested; birth control will make them fat, their man doesn't like condoms, and a bunch of other stupid ****. So they keep coming back every few months for abortion after abortion.

                      Our species is really sad.

                      I think if it weren't for an elite minority in prehistory, we'd be animalistic savages. I sometimes wonder if feral children are proof of this; one would think that a feral child, left without human culture, would resemble a prehistoric human (a caveman), exhibiting some contenance of intelligent wonder and restraint, not behave like a beast. But if feral children is how our species behave in the absence of culture, where did culture come from since it surely didn't come from people behaving as such? It didn't come from god or aliens; it must have come from an elite minority.
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                      • You can't help people like that anyway. Those are the people that sell their food stamps and stuff. That's why you have limits to the amount of time someone can be on welfare. Welfare should be a tool to help people get back on their feet, not something to support the lifestyle of a permanent underclass.
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                        • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                          You can't help people like that anyway. Those are the people that sell their food stamps and stuff. That's why you have limits to the amount of time someone can be on welfare. Welfare should be a tool to help people get back on their feet, not something to support the lifestyle of a permanent underclass.
                          It certainly does support the lifestyle of an underclass along with SSI disability for BS disabilities. It's a hustle down here and a permanent lifestyle.

                          Romney's comments ring true. The liberal intellectuals don't see it because they're not in the hood.
                          "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                          "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                          • Romney's comments ring true. The liberal intellectuals don't see it because they're not in the hood.
                            Wow, Albert speaking truth to power.
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                            • Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                              Welfare would be much better, as would every employee's paycheck, if we didn't have government incentives on what to buy. I'm of the opinion that welfare should just be a monthly sum of cash as opposed to trying to anticipate every need of poor people and give them corresponding stamps.

                              So I think we probably agree here.
                              If you just gave people a check it would be easier for them to quit working.

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                              • Really? 30K cash is better than 30k benefits, if you disagree you're an idiot for not taking the optimal path.
                                30K in cash BEFORE TAXES, is not better than 30k benefits UNTAXED.
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