Dark Knight Rises

[Hauldren Collider]

If you argue that point, shoot yourself in the ****ing temple with a gun and spare us.

I think that's a little over the top, don't you? I realize we're not always civil on poly, but I feel like that crosses a line somehow.

[Hauldren Collider]

This is an amusnig statement.

Heh, I meant to put "should last even longer". You're right, of course.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Add "while it's happening and after, we'll have the despicable circumstance of criminals having more access to guns than normal citizens."

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Ah yes. I heard that argument used a lot after the UK banned handguns, alongside predictions that Britain would slide into rampant crime and anarchy.

Now go look at our latest just-released homicide stats. You'll never guess what's been happening.

[The Mad Monk]

x-lots

We have data, we have equations and everything. Engineers design these things, not hillbillies. Guns are overbuilt for their ammunition, because the consequences of not being overbuilt can be...spectacular. If a gun fails, it was either cheaply constructed or there was a flaw in the metal. Either way, failure happens sooner rather than later due to the stresses that come with each and every shot.

[H Tower]

I think that's a little over the top, don't you? I realize we're not always civil on poly, but I feel like that crosses a line somehow.

It crosses the line if you agree with the point he was saying was indefensible.

[Hauldren Collider]

It crosses the line if you agree with the point he was saying was indefensible.

No, it crosses a line either way.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

FTFY. 100 year-old-guns still in use are also not unheard of. Hell, the M1911 design is 101 years old now.

Would you trust 100-year-old ammunition, though? That's where you start.

Sure, you can get home-made ammo- but it's a good starter.

[Hauldren Collider]

Would you trust 100-year-old ammunition, though? That's where you start.

Sure, you can get home-made ammo- but it's a good starter.

Unless you're opting for a total ban on guns, I don't think you could only ban handgun ammo. Consider that .22 LR, the most widely used and least expensive ammo, is used in both handguns and rifles.

This is all not even addressing the fact that any such gun bans would be found totally unconstitutional.

[Elok]

Elok -

I saw that video as well and I have to disagree.

With a little time to rest and recover that computer would have been back in the fight.

I doubt it. That guy gave his little girl's laptop ten rounds. It wasn't coming back. Even if it did, you have to throw a damned heavy computer to damage even a cheap handgun seriously.

[regexcellent]

Ah yes. I heard that argument used a lot after the UK banned handguns, alongside predictions that Britain would slide into rampant crime and anarchy.

Now go look at our latest just-released homicide stats. You'll never guess what's been happening.

1. Is it easier for criminals to get handguns than private citizens? (answer: yes, because they don't obey the law)
2. Were there ever as many handguns in Britain as in the United States? (answer: no)
3. Are people who like to shoot handguns for sporting purposes such as target shooting able to do so reasonably? (answer: no)

[regexcellent]

Would you trust 100-year-old ammunition, though? That's where you start.

Sure, you can get home-made ammo- but it's a good starter.

Please. Loads of people make home-made ammo all the time. The components are readily available everywhere and it requires no significant amount of specialized expertise. It's called "reloading" cartridges. It can be way cheaper than buying the ammo at a store and it allows for customized loads.

[Lorizael]

x-lots

We have data, we have equations and everything. Engineers design these things, not hillbillies. Guns are overbuilt for their ammunition, because the consequences of not being overbuilt can be...spectacular. If a gun fails, it was either cheaply constructed or there was a flaw in the metal. Either way, failure happens sooner rather than later due to the stresses that come with each and every shot.

/me shrugs. I grant that it's very likely we know, with some degree of certainty, how long items can be expected to last. I was mostly kidding around.

[Wiglaf]

You don't need to be killed by a crazed gunman. You're more likely to be killed by someone you know with a gun.

No one is saying guns raise crime rates. Guns just increase lethality.

If you argue that point, shoot yourself in the ****ing temple with a gun and spare us.

The vast majority of people killed in gun violence had it coming, either by cheating on their spouse or dealing drugs or participating in crime in some way.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

This is all not even addressing the fact that any such gun bans would be found totally unconstitutional.

It's always intrigued me how the "well-ordered militia" bit proves to be considered just so much padding.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Please. Loads of people make home-made ammo all the time. The components are readily available everywhere and it requires no significant amount of specialized expertise. It's called "reloading" cartridges. It can be way cheaper than buying the ammo at a store and it allows for customized loads.

And you can make home-made bombs too. So, clearly, they should be legal, right?