Canada declares war on Catholicism

[Ben Kenobi]

Actually I said that the daughter wouldn't be allowed to drive the car. You stated that the someone else could be driving. Yes, that is different but doesn't negate my comment.

Sure it does. You called me a 'moron' for saying that because you thought you'd found the loophole.

Easy enough to get around.

So are you going to admit you were wrong rah?

But the rest still makes no sense to your original argument that they don't prosecute honor killings.

They don't. Not all of them.

Still waiting to get you to admit that you were 100 percent wrong.

[Ben Kenobi]

Is it honorable to make an honor killing appear to be an accident? I mean really, if you wanted to reclaim your honor by killing them wouldn't this require that you make it know that you did the killing and what the reason was.

Taqquiya teaches that it's honorable to lie to infidels.

[Ben Kenobi]

It was treated as an accidental death as most staged accidents start. Almost immediately it was deemed suspicious due to the markings on the car indicating it was pushed, and a simultaneous accident report filed by the father the same day.

What would have happened if the father had not filed an accident report?

[Ben Kenobi]

Perhaps Canada now pursues child abuse cases amongst Roman Catholic clergy more vigorously than it once did

So you've admitted then that Canada needs to step up their awareness and prosecution of honor killings. Thank you.

[Ben Kenobi]

No, you're a lying fool because you overstate and misrepresent your case.

I stated that there are far more honor killings than 12 over 10 years in Canada, and that the lack of prosecution of honor killings is tantamount to permission. If it's not prosecuted then it is tacitly permitted.

yet both the newspapers YOU cited revealed that the perpetrators in question when caught, were prosecuted.

Only through fortunate happenstance where the perpetrators basically handed over the evidence needed.

I'm still an atheist, honour killings are not specifically a Muslim crime or confined to Islam, nor are they sanctioned by Islam.

Bull****.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/29/chechen-women-in-mortal-fear-as-president-backs-ho/

This is my point. People are willing to lie and shill for Islam, as you are doing here.

[Asher]

What would have happened if the father had not filed an accident report?

It would've still been discovered the women were dead before the car was submerged; that their car had damage indicating a collision had occurred; the father's car would've had visible damages to it; the paint transfer marks would've indicated a collision between those two vehicles; the cell phone records would've shown the father to be in the same area as the women around the time of death, etc.

It was a slam dunk case. You continue to try to represent it as a case that only went to trial because of some tip.

[Asher]

This is my point. People are willing to lie and shill for Christianity, as you are doing here.

QFT.

[molly bloom]

So you've admitted then that Canada needs to step up their awareness and prosecution of honor killings. Thank you.

Why would I 'admit' something that doesn't, on the evidence you've shown, need admitting ? How very like you to harp on about 'honour' killings and remain silent about the unfortunate history of orchestrated child abuse by Roman Catholic clergy in Canada.

Of course they may not have actually killed many children , but they certainly did ruin those lives.

After his regular weekly public audience on April 29, Pope Benedict XVI met with leaders of Canadian native tribes, and offered an apology for the abuses that occurred at the "residential schools" serving native children in Canada during the 19th and 20th centuries. The schools separated native children from their families and strongly discouraged any manifestations of their native culture; there have also been reports of sexual and physical abuse in the institutions, most of which were operated by the Catholic Church. Pope Benedict expressed his "sorrow at the anguish caused by the deplorable conduct of some members of the Church."

http://www.catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=2764

The Vatican- so much to apologise for.... no wonder you're so contemptuous of 'native' contributions to Canadian culture.

[Ben Kenobi]

I've no idea where you get that absurd notion from. Nothing I've said, certainly. Interesting though that 'your' Canadian cultures are all so tighty whitey and European, if not just from the British Isles. You might think the Metis and non-Europeans did nothing to shape Canada's culture.

I'm saying they did plenty to shape native culture, yes. They don't want to *be* Canadian, they want what the French want, to run their own affairs without interference. Why would you lump about 200 different cultures together with what is generally understood to be English Canadian culture?

I was hardly listing all of Canada's famous Jews, cultural or otherwise.

Again, I ask, is he the only significant Jewish author that is Canadian? Yes or no, Molly.

Truly you're ****ting me about Richler.

Not a whit. If he weren't Jewish nobody would care about him.

He's well-known internationally

As a Canadian or as a Jew?

His articles on Quebec's language laws were very funny- like a latter day Jonathan Swift when it came to pointing out the absurdities involved.

I would question whether he's well known as a Canadian author abroad.

White European norms it looks like from what you're saying. Ever heard of the Haida artist Bill Reid, for instance ?

Yeah I have. Nobody has trouble distinguishing Haida artists from Canadian artists. Haida culture has particular styles of art that are unique to the Haida that you don't see anywhere else.

I don't really see why Haida art has SFA to do with Canada. It was there long before Canada. Reid takes his inspiration from the Haida culture, not Canadian culture.

[molly bloom]

I stated that there are far more honor killings than 12 over 10 years in Canada, and that the lack of prosecution of honor killings is tantamount to permission

You stated that 'honour' killings were 'permitted' (your word, precisely) and perpetrators of them were allowed to escape 'scot free' - your phrase.

When we saw your 'evidence' for these claims, we found that neither was true. Ergo, you lied and exaggerated.

that the lack of prosecution of honor killings is tantamount to permission. If it's not prosecuted then it is tacitly permitted.

Not true. Prosecutions cost money and depend on evidence. If an 'honour' killing has been committed, and the prosecution is unable to find enough evidence to go to trial, it's hardly likely to attempt a prosecution. This does not imply consent.

Bull****.

How quaint. well, you're the expert shoveller. Could yo0u find the sura in the Koran which allows honour killings ? Or the hadith of Mohammed's ?

People are willing to lie and shill for Islam, as you are doing here.

Liar liar, pants on fire....

[rah]

I stated that there are far more honor killings than 12 over 10 years in Canada, and that the lack of prosecution of honor killings is tantamount to permission. If it's not prosecuted then it is tacitly permitted.

Hmm, there are hundreds of petty burglaries a day in Chicago, but not more than a few are successfully prosecuted. So by your logic, petty burglaries are tacitly permitted?

We're all still waiting for an example where it was COMMON knowledge that a honor killing was done but there was no attempt to prosecute.

[Ben Kenobi]

Why would I 'admit' something that doesn't, on the evidence you've shown, need admitting ?

Seeing as you don't believe that Islam approves of honor killings then there's a slight disconnect here.

How very like you to harp on about 'honour' killings and remain silent about the unfortunate history of orchestrated child abuse by Roman Catholic clergy in Canada.

Uh, terrible thread to make this assertion, Molly. I've spoken plenty against it, and far more than I've ever posted on honor killings.

I disagreed right in this very thread about how they were addressed in the past.

The Vatican- so much to apologise for.... no wonder you're so contemptuous of 'native' contributions to Canadian culture.

Couple things here.

1, how is asserting that Haida culture has it's own separate culture from Canadian culture contemptuous? It's the truth. Haida culture is much older than Canadian culture, which is why they try to preserve Haida culture along with all the other 200 different cultures that predate Canada.

2, yes the residential schools were awful. I've spoken in defense of the residential schools before. You have starving kids in the bush that need to be fed and educated when the hunts didn't come in. What they did to hurt vunerable children was despicable and wrong.

But, is it better to leave them out in the bush and starve?

[giblets]

I'm arguing that the police did not treat the incident as anything more than an accidental death, until they recieved more information corroborating a honor killing. If said information was not found, the police wouldn't have tried the case as a honor killing.

How does that establish that honor killings are PERMITTED in Canada???? So you think if people are "innocent until proven guilty" then absolutely everything is permitted because they won't get convicted without sufficient evidence?

[rah]

Sure it does. You called me a 'moron' for saying that because you thought you'd found the loophole.

Easy enough to get around.

So are you going to admit you were wrong rah?

And actually I said that the girl would not be allowed to drive. You were the one that came up with the loophole by using a different driver.

[Ben Kenobi]

Liar liar, pants on fire

Hey, I love how you blissfully ignored the article. I'll post it again, since you're trying to furiously bury it.

Muslims do support honor killings under sharia law. End stop.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/apr/29/chechen-women-in-mortal-fear-as-president-backs-ho/