Canada declares war on Catholicism

[Asher]

Keep up the good work Ben.

[Ben Kenobi]

Keep up the good work Ben.

What's going to happen when the Catholic schools refuse to abide by an unjust law? They are protected by the Charter. The province of Ontario cannot override the Charter.

[Ben Kenobi]

I hope you know that there is a difference between forcing someone to do something and forbidding someone from doing something

Both are infringements on religious freedom. Forbidding someone from teaching that homosexuality is wrong, is a violation of their religious freedom.

Just because the catholic church has been forbidden from denigrating homosexuals in public schools

You can't bar someone from preaching the Faith, just because you don't like certain parts of the faith. Is the Catholic school barred from teaching that homosexuality is sinful? Then it's a violation of their Charter rights.

doesn´t mean that she is/will be forced to do something (like performing gay marriages or even, praise the "homosexual lifestyle")

That's exactly what you are doing here - you're forcing a Catholic school to hold events supporting gay rights. Next up marriage.

[Ben Kenobi]

I would think they would be focused on ending bullying.

Yes or no rah? Answer the damn question.

Do you object to them trying to end bullying?

When they define bullying as 'expressing the opinion that homosexuality is sinful', yes, I do.

You're assuming just because gay is in the title that it would automatically be promoting sodomy.

If the club is defining opposition to homosexuality as bullying, then yes, it's promoting sodomy. If the club is teaching that homosexuality isn't sinful, then yes, it's promoting sodomy.

That is such narrow thinking.

I can always tell when I'm right. People resort to ad-hominem cheap shots rather than answering questions.

No you're missing the point. These aren't let's celebrate we're gay clubs, they're let's stop the bullying before more commit suicide clubs. You can't seem to differentiate. I guess you don't want to. If they haven't committed a sin yet, what is your problem?

Do the clubs teach that homosexuality is not sinful?

[Ben Kenobi]

I fully expected the principled Catholics to refuse this dirty public money now.

I find it odd that Catholics are expected to abide by section 13, which explicitly protects their freedom of religion, but their opponents are not. Is the constitution the law of the land, or can it be renegotiated whenever it's convenient?

If the province of Ontario wants to strip conscience protections away from the Catholic church, then they've said that the constitution is no longer binding on the legislature. If that's the case, then the schools aren't required to obey a law contrary to the highest law of the land.

[Asher]

What's going to happen when the Catholic schools refuse to abide by an unjust law? They are protected by the Charter. The province of Ontario cannot override the Charter.

The British North American act can and will be changed.

[Ben Kenobi]

Do you have any evidence that they wouldn't allow students to open up pro-life clubs if they so desired?

Look up the University of Victoria. They explicitly banned any prolife club on campus, and are still banning the club from hosting activities on campus.

http://www.righttolife.to/news/university-of-victoria-pro-life-club-censored-once-again/

People may have felt offended by the images but that in no way constitutes harassment. If you merely have to claim your feelings were hurt or you disliked someone’s message or way of expressing themselves to find that person guilty of harassment, freedom of speech ceases to exist.

Just like this case here. People get offended by what the Church teaches on homosexuality and believe that hurt feelings = harrassment and bullying.

[Ben Kenobi]

The British North American act can and will be changed.

Then do so via the amending formula. As it is the law passed by Ontario has no force on the Catholic schools.

[Asher]

Yes or no rah? Answer the damn question.

The answer is quite obviously "no". GSA don't deal with issues such as sodomy.

If the club is defining opposition to homosexuality as bullying, then yes, it's promoting sodomy. If the club is teaching that homosexuality isn't sinful, then yes, it's promoting sodomy.

I know many gay men who never engage in sodomy, why do you assume every man is into that? There's so much more you can do. Your obvious interest in it doesn't mean everyone else does it.

The vast majority of lesbians also never engage in sodomy.

The GSA has nothing to do with sodomy.

[Asher]

Then do so via the amending formula. As it is the law passed by Ontario has no force on the Catholic schools.

I think you'll see you are mistaken. It's also likely a court will apply rationality and strike down the provision from the BNA enforcing taxpayer funded bigotry and priestly sodomy.

[Asher]

PS: Why does God care about buttsex?

It's probably only in the bible to stop his clergymen from buggering eachother all day instead of recruiting for the cult.

[Ben Kenobi]

The answer is quite obviously "no". GSA don't deal with issues such as sodomy.

Does the club affirm that homosexuality and engaging in homosexuality is not sinful?

I know many gay men who never engage in sodomy, why do you assume every man is into that?

Because rah is doing everything he can to avoid answering the question. Same with you. See, when people avoid questions, I can always tell that they would rather bull**** me and call me names if it means not having to answer the question.

There's so much more you can do. Your obvious interest in it doesn't mean everyone else does it.

Yawn. Answer the question Asher.

The vast majority of lesbians also never engage in sodomy.

I'm amused that this wasn't the first argument you made. Yes, the church teaches that homosexuality is larger than just sodomy. Yes, the church teaches that homosexuality whether it involves sodomy or not, is sinful. Yes the church also teaches that sodomy is sinful.

So if the GSA fails any one of the criterion, then yes, it's inappropriate for a Catholic school to host one.

Of course, since you are opposed to Catholic schools, this is just a smokescreen. As wezil confirmed with his gloating. But then, I said that in the beginning, didn't I?

[Ben Kenobi]

I think you'll see you are mistaken. It's also likely a court will apply rationality and strike down the provision from the BNA enforcing taxpayer funded bigotry and priestly sodomy.

Which is the real issue, and this is just a smokescreen. It's never been about the clubs, and everything to do with eliminating the schools.

Good luck with that, btw. The amending formula exists for a reason. If you're exempting yourself from the provisions of the constitution, then you are exempting everyone from abiding to it.

[Ben Kenobi]

PS: Why does God care about buttsex?

It's probably only in the bible to stop his clergymen from buggering eachother all day instead of recruiting for the cult.

Why? Because sexual activity is to be confined in marriage, which revolves around the union of a man and a woman. Anything that deviates from this, is sinful. You can sum all of Catholic ethics wrt to human sexuality in just this one principle. If it's not a man and a woman in marriage, then it's wrong.

I'd go so far to say it's because there are men and women in the first place. It's what we were made for.

[rah]

Yes or no rah? Answer the damn question.

I SAID NO, please read. (post 177)

When they define bullying as 'expressing the opinion that homosexuality is sinful', yes, I do.

That's not their definition. And you should know better since I'm sure you were bullied when you were growing up. Being deaf wasn't your fault as much as them being gay isn't their's.
You were bullied because you were different then others.

If the club is defining opposition to homosexuality as bullying, then yes, it's promoting sodomy. If the club is teaching that homosexuality isn't sinful, then yes, it's promoting sodomy.

Not the definition, see answer above.

I can always tell when I'm right. People resort to ad-hominem cheap shots rather than answering questions.

When every answer you give is that the clubs are promoting sodomy, then it's not a cheap shot, but the truth.

Do the clubs teach that homosexuality is not sinful?

AGAIN, the clubs are to get people not to be bullied not to promote being gay.
If they're virgins they are not sinful yet.

You yourself (when defending your wacko religious beliefs) say that they're not being discriminated against because they can still marry women. Well, some of these people may never commit sodomy and marry women. YOU NEVER KNOW. They may never sin. (in your eyes) So what's the problem. As soon as you hear the word GAY, you assume that everyone is jumping up and down and committing sodomy. That is not the case. Especially at that age. If they haven't sinned yet, you should be protecting the children. If they've sinned and confessed, you should be protecting the children. But like a lot of catholics you don't see to give a crap about the children based on your posts in this thread.