Social Studies teacher: Don't you dare say bad things about the President!

[Ben Kenobi]

There's nothing unequal about demanding that women be submissive servants

Did I say that? Read Ephesians 5 sometimes. Paul himself says that we are to 'submit to one another, in loving service to God.' She would serve God, not me, as I would do the same.

as long as you insist that you would die for them in the remotely possible circumstances where such would be necessary.

Well, yeah, I consider it my responsibility to protect her from the vagarities of life, and that means doing without to ensure she is well provided for. Many men don't see things this way. Far too many leave their wife and children and walk away from their responsibilities. Hey, life sucks. Sometimes you have to do stuff you don't enjoy. Marriage isn't a one way street - both husband and wife have to sacrifice to help one another out. I don't see very many pastors preaching this, which is a shame.

which is widely renowned for its egalitarian qualities.

Take the average, modern day 'enlightened man', and see if they will willingly put themselves in harms way to protect their wife and children. Good luck!

[DaShi]

Ben doesn't understand how single payer systems work.

[Ben Kenobi]

It's simple. "Free anything" gets rationed.

Rationing leads to waiting lists.

Waiting lists leads to people dying before they can be treated, in inverse proportion to the necessity of care.

[giblets]

No one dies without treatment in America!

[Ming]

Take the average, modern day 'enlightened man', and see if they will willingly put themselves in harms way to protect their wife and children. Good luck!

Hmmmmm.... I'm pretty sure that everybody I know would willing put themselves in harms way to protect their wife and children. And most of them aren't catholic.
And I know as a fact that none of them have raped their 9 year old daughter or handicapped daughter like the modern day catholic "enlightened" male in another thread.

[kentonio]

It's simple. "Free anything" gets rationed.

Rationing leads to waiting lists.

Waiting lists leads to people dying before they can be treated, in inverse proportion to the necessity of care.

Except that doesn't actually happen. The idea that people are dying because they can't afford treatments in your vile and twisted system is sick and disgusting.

[Ben Kenobi]

No one dies without treatment in America!

No one dies without treatment in Canada either!

[Ben Kenobi]

Except that doesn't actually happen. The idea that people are dying because they can't afford treatments in your vile and twisted system is sick and disgusting.

ORLY? *cough* Bull**** *cough*

http://www.health.gov.bc.ca/swt/

There are currently 229 open heart surgery cases in BC, for which the average wait time is 4 weeks. 10 percent have to wait longer than 12 weeks.

This is for open heart surgery! And you have to wait a month!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/359265.stm

Shows that 500 people die on the wait list for heart surgery in the UK, every year.

[kentonio]

ORLY? *cough* Bull**** *cough*

http://www.health.gov.bc.ca/swt/

There are currently 229 open heart surgery cases in BC, for which the average wait time is 4 weeks. 10 percent have to wait longer than 12 weeks.

This is for open heart surgery! And you have to wait a month!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/359265.stm

Shows that 500 people die on the wait list for heart surgery in the UK, every year.

How long do you think an uninsured American has to wait for say cancer meds or an expensive surgery?

How about 45,000 American's dying for lack of healthcare?

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-18563_162-5318652.html

[Ben Kenobi]

Hmmmmm.... I'm pretty sure that everybody I know would willing put themselves in harms way to protect their wife and children. And most of them aren't catholic.

So you're saying it should be the duty of the husband to do so for his wife?

And I know as a fact that none of them have raped their 9 year old daughter or handicapped daughter like the modern day catholic "enlightened" male in another thread.

Funny how Catholic is relevant when it's declamatory, and irrelevant when it's actually pertinent.

[giblets]

Woo, go America:

In reality, both data and anecdotes show that the American people are already waiting as long or longer than patients living with universal health-care systems. Take Susan M., a 54-year-old human resources executive in New York City. She faithfully makes an appointment for a mammogram every April, knowing the wait will be at least six weeks. She went in for her routine screening at the end of May, then had another because the first wasn't clear. That second X-ray showed an abnormality, and the doctor wanted to perform a needle biopsy, an outpatient procedure. His first available date: mid-August. "I completely freaked out," Susan says. "I couldn't imagine spending the summer with this hanging over my head." After many calls to five different facilities, she found a clinic that agreed to read her existing mammograms on June 25 and promised to schedule a follow-up MRI and biopsy if needed within 10 days. A full month had passed since the first suspicious X-rays. Ultimately, she was told the abnormality was nothing to worry about, but she should have another mammogram in six months. Taking no chances, she made an appointment on the spot. "The system is clearly broken," she laments.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/07_28/b4042072.htm

[Ben Kenobi]

How long do you think an uninsured American has to wait for say cancer meds or an expensive surgery?

You were the one saying that people never die under single payer. So, you're willing to recant your position?

[Ming]

So you're saying it should be the duty of the husband to do so for his wife?

Typical... did I say "duty"?
It's all about love. People I know would willing protect their loved ones, be it man or woman.

[kentonio]

You were the one saying that people never die under single payer. So, you're willing to recant your position?

Yes, I obviously said that no-one ever dies under single payer. You are literally the most dishonest **** on the internet.

[Ben Kenobi]

She faithfully makes an appointment for a mammogram every April, knowing the wait will be at least six weeks

Gosh, it's 6 weeks for a mastectomy in BC. Single payer is just awesome, when it sucks twice as much. And BC is the best. I would sincerely doubt that New York would be the best place in the US.