Greatest Sect of Christianity

[Kidlicious]

It disturbs me when I encounter people like Kidicious. They're not healthy. I have no idea how to help them, or if this is even possible (for me, or for anybody), or if it is my place to do so. In Kidicious's case I've given up. He'll either talk to his minister about this, or he'll refuse to do so out of cowardice or pride; there's certainly nothing else I can do to influence his decision, and I don't know if there's anything anybody can do to influence his decision.

That's funny because I think you and MB have psychological problems. You are probably really mad at some other people, and you are transferring guilt on to me because of my religious beliefs. It especially makes sense because you both have such hard ons for BK, but too bad for both of you so you must try to aggrevate me. I mean what are you doing in this thread? It's not about what you believe.

[loinburger]

That's funny because I think you and MB have psychological problems. You are probably really made at some other people, and you are transferring guilt on to be because of my religious beliefs. It especially makes sense because you both have such hard ons for BK, but too bad for both of you so you must try to aggrevate me. I mean what are you doing in this thread? It's not about what you believe.

It should concern you that you're lumping yourself in with BK.

BK also suffers from a complete failure in ethics as a result of his terrible metaphysics, so there's a reason that you two are lumped in together. He at least pays lip service to being a sinner, whereas you are too drowned in your own pride to admit even that much.

[Kidlicious]

He is talking about the gospel which he is presenting in his words.

If it is actually his words which are the word of God, wouldn't he not have made the differences clear (when he was quoting Christ/etc) as he did many times.

He did consider himself a man of God, which he was.

You are lifting him up on a pedestal which he doesn't deserve to be.

JM

The verse from 2 Peter says not to think that the prophets gave us their own interpretation. Then there's Psalms 33:4 "For the word of the Lord is right and true."

It doesn't matter for the purpose of the argument over whether Scripture is the Word or not. You just said the gospel is the Word of God. So Scripture is the Word. And so in John 1 Word is Scripture.

[Elok]

I don't understand why that's weird.

Because we were being polite, and you did things like (in my case) say that all the people who graduate from our seminaries are "jackasses." Meanwhile Loin and Molly were commenting to the effect that you had brain issues, and you were cool with that until they started really pressing you. That's weird.

[Elok]

It should concern you that you're lumping yourself in with BK.

BK also suffers from a complete failure in ethics as a result of his terrible metaphysics, so there's a reason that you two are lumped in together. He at least pays lip service to being a sinner, whereas you are too drowned in your own pride to admit even that much.

While I've complained about Kid's flat rudeness and insults, I find both vastly preferable to BK's unctuous phony politeness. By the by, have you seen how Martin Guhwotsit fixed NewGod's wagon?

[loinburger]

You have a point. Kid doesn't pretend to be anything other than what he is - his honesty is refreshing, even if his beliefs are maddening. BK pretends that he's pious when he's anything but.

[Elok]

Imran, JM, can you tell me anything about Protestant conceptions of theosis? It's right at the center of Orthodoxy, and I've been told it's problematic or scandalous for some Protestant denominations, but Wiki says that Methodists/Wesleyans have an equivalent doctrine, and so do Anglicans. Though the Wesleyan idea appears to be quite different.

Hmm, looks like theosis itself has a special page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosis...ox_theology%29 .

[Kidlicious]

Because we were being polite, and you did things like (in my case) say that all the people who graduate from our seminaries are "jackasses." Meanwhile Loin and Molly were commenting to the effect that you had brain issues, and you were cool with that until they started really pressing you. That's weird.

Realize this. I'm holding back a lot, especially when it comes to Imran. Christians should be held to a high standard, but why wouldn't I expect such poor behavior from an atheist?

[Kidlicious]

It should concern you that you're lumping yourself in with BK.

BK also suffers from a complete failure in ethics as a result of his terrible metaphysics, so there's a reason that you two are lumped in together. He at least pays lip service to being a sinner, whereas you are too drowned in your own pride to admit even that much.

This comes from one who thinks Thomas Jefferson was evil.

[Elok]

Realize this. I'm holding back a lot, especially when it comes to Imran. Christians should be held to a high standard, but why wouldn't I expect such poor behavior from an atheist?

So why don't you hold yourself to higher standards like "don't insult people, especially when they haven't insulted you"?

[loinburger]

This comes from one who thinks Thomas Jefferson was evil.

You apparently think that slavery is moral, so I don't know why I should care about any moral judgments you pass.

[Jon Miller]

Certain groups of SDAs (historic, for example) preach that we are transformed to the point where we are perfect in action, not only via Christ covering us.

More modern groups of SDAs (Although both groups exist in the SDA church) preach that earthly perfection is impossible until the transformation at Christ's return.

JM

[Kidlicious]

Imran, JM, can you tell me anything about Protestant conceptions of theosis? It's right at the center of Orthodoxy, and I've been told it's problematic or scandalous for some Protestant denominations, but Wiki says that Methodists/Wesleyans have an equivalent doctrine, and so do Anglicans. Though the Wesleyan idea appears to be quite different.

Hmm, looks like theosis itself has a special page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosis...ox_theology%29 .

Oh this should be rich.

[loinburger]

Oh this should be rich.

Why are you still posting in this thread? You obviously don't care what anybody else has to say, and even you must realize by this point that nobody cares what you have to say. You support slavery, for crying out loud.

[Elok]

Certain groups of SDAs (historic, for example) preach that we are transformed to the point where we are perfect in action, not only via Christ covering us.

More modern groups of SDAs (Although both groups exist in the SDA church) preach that earthly perfection is impossible until the transformation at Christ's return.

JM

Hmm. We don't allow for any human being becoming "perfect" in this life, but theosis isn't limited to morals (though they're a major component). It's the proposal that we can become literally--albeit to a finite extent--godlike, taking part in God's energies/actions. I'm curious as to which parts of this squick other denominations out; the idea that we need to return to our primal state of union with God seems to be universal. But even discussing it this far makes me aware of how little I know about it myself...