Greatest Sect of Christianity

[Elok]

Is that another part of the Bible that you think is false?

Judge not, planks and specks, both found in the Gospel of Matthew.

[Kidlicious]

Judge not, planks and specks, both found in the Gospel of Matthew.

That's a different issue. It has to do with "tending to your own salvation." But there's quite a lot in the Bible regarding good and evil. You don't think those verses are false do you, because that's the inference.

[loinburger]

You have the wierdest ethical system. What is it?

btw, your post is completely illogical. I don't know what to say.

"Slavery is immoral, and lying is immoral." I know that you fail the lying part, but do you also fail the slavery part?

I honestly had no idea that "slavery is immoral" was an odd tenet, but you evidently think so, otherwise you wouldn't be blubbering about anti-Americanism.

[Kidlicious]

"Slavery is immoral, and lying is immoral." I know that you fail the lying part, but do you also fail the slavery part?

I honestly had no idea that "slavery is immoral" was an odd tenet, but you evidently think so, otherwise you wouldn't be blubbering about anti-Americanism.

I never said, either explicitly or implicity, that slavery was moral because I love the United States of America. You said that Thomas Jefferson, the champion of freedom, was evil because he owned slaves, despite all of the things he did for you, an ungratefull atheist with a very ugly character. Furthermore, on top of your many character flaws, you have zero respect for true greatness.

[loinburger]

I never said, either explicitly or implicity, that slavery was moral because I love the United States of America. You said that Thomas Jefferson, the champion of freedom, was evil because he owned slaves, despite all of the things he did for you, an ungratefull atheist with a very ugly character. Furthermore, on top of your many character flaws, you have zero respect for true greatness.

You have now stated that Thomas Jefferson was great for owning slaves. Congrats.

If you disapprove of slavery, then you have had a very odd way of going about stating it, by which I mean that you have explicitly defended slavery if the slave-holder was a "great person."

Do you disapprove of slavery? If so, state so now. I have asked you this before and you have avoided the question, presumably because you support slavery. This is your last chance.

[loinburger]

For the record, I agree that Thomas Jefferson was a great person. He was also a douchebag for owning slaves. Will you have the intellectual honesty to chastise him for owning slaves, or will you defend slavery?

[Elok]

That's a different issue. It has to do with "tending to your own salvation." But there's quite a lot in the Bible regarding good and evil. You don't think those verses are false do you, because that's the inference.

That's not an inference, it's a large and unsubstantiated logical leap. You've done a lot of that in this thread. If I come in with a wet umbrella, "it's raining" is a good, sensible inference for you to make. If I say "it's not good for humans to categorize each other neatly into 'good' and 'bad' groups," going from there to "he thinks the Bible is lying about the nature of good and evil" is NOT a good inference. Oh, and how the dickens is "judge not" irrelevant to the question of whether or not to judge others?

[Kidlicious]

That's not an inference, it's a large and unsubstantiated logical leap. You've done a lot of that in this thread. If I come in with a wet umbrella, "it's raining" is a good, sensible inference for you to make. If I say "it's not good for humans to categorize each other neatly into 'good' and 'bad' groups," going from there to "he thinks the Bible is lying about the nature of good and evil" is NOT a good inference. Oh, and how the dickens is "judge not" irrelevant to the question of whether or not to judge others?

Are you copycating loinburger now, posting nonsense to get attention?

The inference is this: I asked you if you believed that verses in the Bible that differentiate between good and evil were false. You intern posted something about judging people, not answering the question. The inference is that you believe they're false.

To make matters worse for you, you made false accusztions about me, AND STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED THE QUESTION!

[loinburger]

Moral accusations from somebody who supports slavery. Oh dear.

[Kidlicious]

For the record, I agree that Thomas Jefferson was a great person. He was also a douchebag for owning slaves. Will you have the intellectual honesty to chastise him for owning slaves, or will you defend slavery?

As I said, owning slaves is bad. At least you admit you lied about one thing. What about the rest?

[loinburger]

As I said, owning slaves is bad.

So when you accused me of being anti-american for not supporting slavery, you were full of ****? Or did you legitimately support slavery?

[Kidlicious]

I never said, either explicitly or implicity, that slavery was moral because I love the United States of America. You said that Thomas Jefferson, the champion of freedom, was evil because he owned slaves, despite all of the things he did for you, an ungratefull atheist with a very ugly character. Furthermore, on top of your many character flaws, you have zero respect for true greatness.

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[loinburger]

You are truly pathetic. "I don't support slavery, I just insult people for opposing slavery."

[Elok]

Are you copycating loinburger now, posting nonsense to get attention?

The inference is this: I asked you if you believed that verses in the Bible that differentiate between good and evil were false. You intern posted something about judging people, not answering the question. The inference is that you believe they're false.

To make matters worse for you, you made false accusztions about me, AND STILL HAVEN'T ANSWERED THE QUESTION!

At this point, I have officially lost patience. You have no sense of nuance, persistently misread even simple arguments, make absurd logical leaps, resort to insults on a hair-trigger, and then get indignant when your own unclear posts don't get the responses you wished for. Loin, he's all yours.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Imran, JM, can you tell me anything about Protestant conceptions of theosis? It's right at the center of Orthodoxy, and I've been told it's problematic or scandalous for some Protestant denominations, but Wiki says that Methodists/Wesleyans have an equivalent doctrine, and so do Anglicans. Though the Wesleyan idea appears to be quite different.

Hmm, looks like theosis itself has a special page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosis...ox_theology%29 .

It's an interesting topic. I know that Pentecostals have a view of this - becoming more Christlike and sanctified. Then again, Pentecostals are big Wesleyans. Calvinists, of course, reject this out of hand. It goes against Unconditional Depravity (the "U" in TULIP). God's irresistible grace may save us, but we, through our own free wills, cannot become more "Godlike".

I do think that, unfortunately, this traditional Western rejection of theosis, only to be undertaken more today, has resulted in the "salvation culture" of a lot of Protestantism - the idea that salvation is the end journey rather than the beginning.

Though I do think that some Orthodox go to far by stating that by theosis one can get closer to God than Adam and Eve (assuming a true Adam and Eve existed and Genesis creation story isn't a huge allegory). The idea that we can become one with God on this Earth seems to me to be getting a bit too crazy, especially considering that the world still remains "fallen". The Kingdom of Heaven has been brought to Earth by Jesus Christ, but I don't think anyone can be that close to God until Jesus comes again and redeems Earth fully and creates a New Earth and New Heaven.