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  • #121
    That doesn't even address the comment you were quoting. Also, if this argument was sound here it would be applicable to every piece of legislation. Why not just do away with representation and have every piece of legislation done by referendum? Also, statewide opinion polls show that legalizing gay marriage is supported by a majority of new yorkers, so the evidence shows that the people are in fact behind this. But why would you bother to check to see if your argument has any basis in reality?
    Actually, polling is saying just the opposite. And yes, I do have a factual basis for my statement.

    Why do you always assume that I am wrong?
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    • #122
      Because you're typing.
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      • #123
        "The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
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        • #124
          Originally posted by Guynemer View Post
          Because you're typing.
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          • #125
            Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
            Actually, polling is saying just the opposite. And yes, I do have a factual basis for my statement.

            Why do you always assume that I am wrong?
            I've linked to two different polls in this thread that show popular support for legalizing gay marriage in New York, you've linked to zero. Where are these polls you refer to? I didn't assume you are wrong, I looked for opinion polls on the issue and found that you are wrong.

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            • #126
              I've linked to two different polls in this thread that show popular support for legalizing gay marriage in New York, you've linked to zero. Where are these polls you refer to? I didn't assume you are wrong, I looked for opinion polls on the issue and found that you are wrong.
              And I've seen polls which say the opposite.

              http://www.scribd.com/doc/58404085/NOM-NY-2011-Survey-on-Marriage
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              • #127
                Originally posted by Guynemer View Post
                Because you're typing.
                Guy wins the thread.
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                • #128
                  Originally posted by Guynemer View Post
                  Because you're typing.
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                  • #129
                    Originally posted by Ben Kenobi View Post
                    And I've seen polls which say the opposite.

                    http://www.scribd.com/doc/58404085/NOM-NY-2011-Survey-on-Marriage
                    Oddly enough there are no questions on that poll that say "should gay marriage be legalized?"

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                    • #130
                      Originally posted by Lorizael View Post
                      The thing is, these culture war issues that affect a relatively small number of people do need to be dealt with at some point.
                      Why? What substantive effect would tabling the same sex marriage issue for a lengthy period of time (let's assume a generation) have?

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                      • #131
                        Has the mouth of hell opened its gaping jaws to swallow this evil village into the abyss yet?

                        Or is that the plot for the next Ghostbusters...
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                        What is the substantive effect of this anyway?
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                        • #132
                          I continue to dispute the notion that gay people are suddenly about to adopt kids at rates on even the same order of magnitude as married couples have children. On a side note, if Asher is correct, there should be no problem with banning abortion and putting the kids up for adoption.

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                          • #133
                            Originally posted by Tupac Shakur View Post
                            Why? What substantive effect would tabling the same sex marriage issue for a lengthy period of time (let's assume a generation) have?
                            How exactly could any one person "table" gay marriage as a political issue?

                            And even in your hypothetical (which I reject because I don't think it's really coherent), the gay rights movement as a whole would essentially stop in place. With DADT gone, gay marriage is "next" and it's not really clear how the movement can proceed until it is achieved.

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                            • #134
                              Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                              I continue to dispute the notion that gay people are suddenly about to adopt kids at rates on even the same order of magnitude as married couples have children. On a side note, if Asher is correct, there should be no problem with banning abortion and putting the kids up for adoption.

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                              Wow, you're dumb. You think raising the child after birth is the only uncomfortable part of pregnancy?

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                              • #135
                                Originally posted by Hauldren Collider View Post
                                I continue to dispute the notion that gay people are suddenly about to adopt kids at rates on even the same order of magnitude as married couples have children. On a side note, if Asher is correct, there should be no problem with banning abortion and putting the kids up for adoption.

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                                What do you mean by "adopting on the same order of magnitude"? Are you saying gay couples will, on average, raise less than .2 kids per couple?

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