A Game of Thrones - TV Show Discussion Thread

[Hauldren Collider]

Oh, you berks. There I was, going "Oooooo. Judging by the posts on Poly, an interesting and dynamic new character will be appearing, and contributing to the rich interaction of plots and personalities".

And it's a cat.

So if Ser Nibbly the Gerbil appears next season, presumably you'll all ejaculate to death?

What did you expect when the character death that upsets everyone the most is the one where they kill Sansa's pet dog?

[Lorizael]

Spoiler/note: There may be more cats. Or D&D may have thought three cats were redundant and consolidated them into a single cat character. Somewhat speciesist, but I understand they have a budget and the screen canvas is necessarily smaller than the page. I guess we'll find out soon!

I've heard that the cat character meets a dog, but not a dog from the books--an entirely new creation by the show writers--and the two engage in behavior HBO doesn't have a content warning for.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

Two quick queries for the book readers-

1- Are there any swords in Westeros not made of Valerian steel?

2- Does Westeros have a huge and thriving fake sword industry?

[Lorizael]

Two quick queries for the book readers-

1- Are there any swords in Westeros not made of Valerian steel?

2- Does Westeros have a huge and thriving fake sword industry?

Mormont's sword and Ned's sword are the only Valyrian blades seen so far in the TV series. Ned's does get reforged, though.

[Guynemer]

Two quick queries for the book readers-

1- Are there any swords in Westeros not made of Valerian steel?

Very few are. Ned's sword was, as is the one Jon got from Lord Mormont back in the first season. I don't think anyone else we've seen uses one, except for the ones Tywin made from Ned's sword in the first episode this season.

2- Does Westeros have a huge and thriving fake sword industry?

Come on down to Crazy Aegon's Rubber Sword and Axe Emporium, we've been serving all your rubber sword and axe needs since 83 AL.

[Lorizael]

Booyah.

[regexcellent]

Two quick queries for the book readers-

1- Are there any swords in Westeros not made of Valerian steel?

2- Does Westeros have a huge and thriving fake sword industry?

1. Yes, most of them, just not many we care about.
2. Define fake

I think so far we've only seen Jon's sword, Ned's sword, and the swords made from Ned's sword, and Joffrey's knife. Other valyrian steel blades in the story include Lyn Corbray's sword, umm...and I can't think of any others. Oh yeah. Arthur Dayne's sword. But you haven't heard of him because they skipped that part of the books, which would have been in season 1.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

2. Define fake

Like when a sword is stamped "Made in Valeria" (which is what I presume happens. If it doesn't, they must all be metallurgists with little electron microscopes in their fingertips) but actually come from a mail order place in the Westeros equivalent of Chennai. That sort of fake.

[Lorizael]

They would know it's a fake because Valyria is spelled wrong. At least, the literate ones would.

[regexcellent]

I think Valyrian steel is supposed to have some smokey appearance or some **** like that. But fake valyrian steel is never addressed.

[Imran Siddiqui]

There are very minor spoilers (at least for those who have seen the show up to the first ep of Season 4) in this link:

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Valyrian_steel

List of known Valyrian steel blades

Blades known to still exist:

Widow's Wail; One of two Valyrian blades reforged by Tobho Mott from Ice. The blade was made for King Joffrey Baratheon as a wedding gift by his grandfather, Lord Tywin. Where it was given its name from the shouted suggestion of an unnamed guest. Following Joffrey's death, ownership of Widow's Wail has presumably passed to his younger brother, King Tommen.
Oathkeeper; One of two Valyrian blades reforged by Tobho Mott from Ice. The blade was made for Ser Jaime Lannister, but he has given it to Brienne of Tarth for use in her quest to locate Sansa Stark. The blade was given its name, Oathkeeper, at that time.
Heartsbane, the ancestral two handed greatsword of House Tarly, currently in the possession of Lord Randyll Tarly.
Longclaw, the ancestral Valyrian steel bastard sword of House Mormont. Currently in the possession of Jon Snow.
Lady Forlorn, the ancestral sword of House Corbray, it is currently in the possession of Ser Lyn Corbray.
Red Rain, the sword of House Drumm stolen in a raid. Given the name and coloring, possibly the ancestral sword of House Reyne
Nightfall, the ancestral blade of House Harlaw and currently wielded by Ser Harras Harlaw.
The dagger with dragonbone hilt wielded by Bran Stark's failed assassin, and currently in the possession of Petyr Baelish.
A Valyrian steel axe possessed by House Celtigar [3].
Valyrian steel Arakh owned by Caggo [4].

Blades with known fate:

Ice, the ancestral two handed greatsword of House Stark. Following Eddard Stark's execution in King's Landing, it was melted down and reforged into two longswords(those being Widow's Wail and Oathkeeper).

Blades with unknown fate:

Blackfyre, the sword of Aegon I Targaryen. Carried by all Targaryen kings till Aegon IV who gave it to his bastard Daemon Blackfyre who rose in rebellion against the Targaryens, taking the sword's name for his house. Its whereabouts are currently unknown.
Brightroar, the ancestral sword of House Lannister, lost when King Tommen II Lannister of the Rock sailed to Valyria and never returned.
Dark Sister, the sword wielded by Visenya Targaryen. The last known owner was Bloodraven.
Vigilance, ancestral sword of House Hightower. [5]
Orphan-Maker, ancestral sword of House Roxton. [5]

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

I'm going to write a scene in which Bron gets given a sword and asked to name it. He opts for "Stabbybastard".

[Dinner]

Two quick queries for the book readers-

1- Are there any swords in Westeros not made of Valerian steel?

2- Does Westeros have a huge and thriving fake sword industry?

Each each great family (or at least most of them) have a Valerian steel sword which gets passed down from one head to the next. When they're lost there is no getting a replacement (which is the problem the Lannisters had). The books don't mention fake Valerian steel makers but, logically, there should be some.

[pchang]

The implication is that Valyrian steel is significantly harder/more durable and can hold a sharper edge. Sharpening it and using it to hack a few random items would expose a fake pretty quickly.

[OzzyKP]

There are very minor spoilers (at least for those who have seen the show up to the first ep of Season 4) in this link:

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Valyrian_steel

List of known Valyrian steel blades

Blades known to still exist:

Widow's Wail; One of two Valyrian blades reforged by Tobho Mott from Ice. The blade was made for King Joffrey Baratheon as a wedding gift by his grandfather, Lord Tywin. Where it was given its name from the shouted suggestion of an unnamed guest. Following Joffrey's death, ownership of Widow's Wail has presumably passed to his younger brother, King Tommen.
Oathkeeper; One of two Valyrian blades reforged by Tobho Mott from Ice. The blade was made for Ser Jaime Lannister, but he has given it to Brienne of Tarth for use in her quest to locate Sansa Stark. The blade was given its name, Oathkeeper, at that time.
Heartsbane, the ancestral two handed greatsword of House Tarly, currently in the possession of Lord Randyll Tarly.
Longclaw, the ancestral Valyrian steel bastard sword of House Mormont. Currently in the possession of Jon Snow.
Lady Forlorn, the ancestral sword of House Corbray, it is currently in the possession of Ser Lyn Corbray.
Red Rain, the sword of House Drumm stolen in a raid. Given the name and coloring, possibly the ancestral sword of House Reyne
Nightfall, the ancestral blade of House Harlaw and currently wielded by Ser Harras Harlaw.
The dagger with dragonbone hilt wielded by Bran Stark's failed assassin, and currently in the possession of Petyr Baelish.
A Valyrian steel axe possessed by House Celtigar [3].
Valyrian steel Arakh owned by Caggo [4].

So Valyrian steel swords are super, super rare and Bran's assassin had one? Given to him by the Lannisters? Who have never had one before, but decide to give one to a random assassin.