A Game of Thrones - TV Show Discussion Thread

[Koyaanisqatsi]

It's implied there are more than is listed, but yes, they're rare. Which was to point of giving one to the assassin. CSI Westeros is kinda slow and doesn't look gift horses in the mouth.

[regexcellent]

So Valyrian steel swords are super, super rare and Bran's assassin had one? Given to him by the Lannisters? Who have never had one before, but decide to give one to a random assassin.

It was King Robert's, and it was just a knife, not a sword. He won it off of Littlefinger after Loras Tyrell (Renly Baratheon's boy toy) unhorsed Jaime Lannister in a tournament. Joffrey gave it to the assassin cause he's retarded.

[OzzyKP]

Joffrey organized the assassination? That can't be right.

[regexcellent]

They skipped that part in the show, but had they not, Tyrion would have found out in the second episode of this season. Joffrey dies shortly after that discovery is made and it doesn't really go anywhere.

They have the same hints and clues in the show though, I think they wanted some people to figure it out. For instance the "I am no stranger to Valyrian steel" line.

[Dinner]

So Valyrian steel swords are super, super rare and Bran's assassin had one? Given to him by the Lannisters? Who have never had one before, but decide to give one to a random assassin.

Spoiler:

Joffery stole one from Robert's treasury (who is his supposed father while really his father is his uncle) and clumsily gave it to a random assassin/hired sword which was tagging along with the King's group visiting the north. The reasons are gone into in the books. Little Finger mislead the Starks into thinking it was Tyrion's, it wasn't.

BTW Valerian steel was supposedly made using dragon fire using a closely guarded technique known only to old Valeria so it was lost when Valeria was destroyed by the doom of Valeria (a huge volcano erupted destroying it) so even though a few dragons survived the doom of Valeria (Aegon the Conquer's three dragons) no one was left alive who knew the secret.

[OzzyKP]

Spoiler:

So he just accidentally gave it to the guy who ended up being the assassin? He wasn't in on the plot though, right? Cause that sounds a bit far fetched.

[regexcellent]

Spoiler:

No, Joffrey ordered the botched assassination attempt and gave the would-be assassin his father's valyrian steel blade to do it with.

These aren't really spoilers, we're past the point in the show where any of this matters.

[Dinner]

Spoiler:

No, Joffrey ordered the botched assassination attempt and gave the would-be assassin his father's valyrian steel blade to do it with.

These aren't really spoilers, we're past the point in the show where any of this matters.

To do it with and as payment. He knew Robert didn't care about little things like that and would never miss the dagger. He wanted Bran killed because...

Spoiler:

He knew Bran knew his "dad" wasn't really his father and instead his uncle was so he wanted Bran silenced so the secret wouldn't get out and Joffery would stay heir to the throne.

[regexcellent]

No. Joffrey died believing his father was Robert.

[OzzyKP]

So Sersi was all "Joffrey darling, Bran caught your uncle and I screwing in the tower, can you clean up any loose ends for mommy?" Why would Sersi share this information with him instead of just taking care of it herself?

Joffery, at least as presented in the show, hasn't been terribly involved in all the scheming, he is just a cruel bully. It seems too sophisticated a move for him, especially that early.

[Dinner]

No. Joffrey died believing his father was Robert.

Want to bet? Why do you suppose Joffrey had all of Robert's bastards killed? Why do you think he needled his mother on that point?

[Felch]

Cersei had them killed. Joffrey was just a rich spoiled psychopath.

[self biased]

[Dinner]

Cersei had them killed. Joffrey was just a rich spoiled psychopath.

Nope. Joff had them killed. It is explicit in the books.

[regexcellent]

OIAW

“You might be disappointed by the result,” Varys replied. “The storms come and go, the waves crash overhead, the big fish eat the little fish, and I keep on paddling. Might I trouble you for a taste of the wine that Lord Slynt enjoyed so much?”

Tyrion waved at the flagon, frowning. Varys filled a cup. “Ah. Sweet as summer.” He took another sip. “I hear the grapes singing on my tongue.”

“I wondered what that noise was. Tell the grapes to keep still, my head is about to split. It was my sister. That was what the oh-so-loyal Lord Janos refused to say. Cersei sent the gold cloaks to that brothel.”

Varys tittered nervously. So he had known all along.

“You left that part out,” Tyrion said accusingly.

“Your own sweet sister,” Varys said, so grief-stricken he looked close to tears. “It is a hard thing to tell a man, my lord. I was fearful how you might take it. Can you forgive me?”